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re: Xs and Os wise, why are some LSU fans so confident playing Bama Saturday?

Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:12 pm to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:12 pm to
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Seems like we matchup purdy good Forest


You think this LSU team is as talented and deep as those teams from 2013-2016? I don't. And I think it's because your recruiting the last 3 years hasn't been as good, at the top and especially towards the bottom. LSU doesn't have nearly as many impact players across the field and certainly doesn't waiting down the depth chart as they did in past years.

JMHO
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 1:15 pm
Posted by LSUDAT79
Vancleave, MS
Member since Sep 2016
154 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:15 pm to
With Love XOXO
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38231 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:21 pm to
LSU has the defense to limit Alabama. They did it last season and they can do it again. It won’t be as crisp without White, Riley, Beck, Adams, Neal, and Godchaux, but the guys that have taken their place are talented. LSU will make Jalen Hurts beat them with his arm or legs because they’re gonna lock up Alabama’s WRs and play sound in the front 7 as they do almost every year in this rivalry.

I don’t see this one going like 2013 or 2015 where the Tigers get manhandled up front by Alabama’s OL. Guys like Gilmore, Lawrence, LaCouture, Edwin Alexander, and Frank Herron will form a wall similar to what Godchaux and LaCouture did in 2014 and what Godchaux, Gilmore, and Neal did in 2016. White and Delpit will be all over the field making tackles and barring a blown coverage it will slow down Bama considerably.

On offense it’s the same old same old. Star RB that may not be 100% with a shoddy OL, average receivers, and a below average QB. It should be a little different this season with Canada calling plays but it’ll be an uphill battle for the LSU OL vs Alabama’s front. Buggs and Payne will likely feast and guys like FR Charles at LT will be roughed up.

The only real hope is that Canada can refine the scheme and really utilize all his weapons to move the ball on Bama. That means short passes, moving the pocket, fly sweeps galore, etc.. They’ll need to dislodge Alabaam’s front and make them hesitant to fully commit to the RB as they have in the past.

If Alabama plays a really bad game and LSU plays a great one I can see the Tigers winning a 23-17 type game. If LSU’s D collapses and the offense can’t get going Alabama will likely shut out LSU to the tune of 31-0 or something similar.
Posted by Fus0623
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2015
88765 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:23 pm to
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LSU has the defense to limit Alabama. They did it last season and they can do it again.

No they don’t. These are two completely defenses
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:25 pm to
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Guys like Gilmore, Lawrence, LaCouture, Edwin Alexander, and Frank Herron will form a wall similar to what Godchaux and LaCouture did in 2014 and what Godchaux, Gilmore, and Neal did in 2016.


Because of the length and serious tone of this post I'm going to assume it's an actual post and not one of the recent LOLRideBaws posts.

If so.............what makes you think this? LSU's run defense has not been good all season.

Mississippi State : 48 attempts, 285 yards (5.94 YPC)
Troy : 42 attempts, 206 yards (4.90 YPC)
Florida : 38 attempts, 194 yards (5.11 YPC)
Auburn : 44 attempts, 189 yards (4.30 YPC)
Ole Miss : 28 carries, 153 yards (5.46 YPC)

Even the last 3 weeks against UF, AU and Ole Miss the LSU defense is giving up 4.87 YPC.

In 2016 it was very different. LSU was dominating in run defense heading into the Alabama game.

I'm not saying that LSU won't have a great plan and might cause some problems, but nothing they have done so far to this point in 2017 would make anyone think that their run defense would be able to stop Alabama's run offense.

This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 1:26 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95158 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:26 pm to
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Of those 5-stars

Alabama
Guys no longer in school
2014 - Cam Robinson (2nd round pick)
2014 - Marlon Humphrey (1st round pick)
2015 - Blake Barnett (transferred to Arizona St)
2015 - Kendall Sheffield (transferred to Ohio State)

Guys in school
2014 - Da'Shawn Hand
2014 - Tony Brown
2014 - Rashaan Evans
2015 - Da'Ron Payne
2015 - Minkah Fitzpatrick
2015 - Damien Harris
2016 - Ben Davis
2016 - Mack Wilson
2016 - Jonah Williams
2017 - Najee Harris
2017 - Alex Leatherwood
2017 - Dylan Moses
2017 - Jerry Jeudy

For Alabama, almost all of those players outside of Ben Davis and a few of the true freshmen are major contributors and our best players.


LSU
Guys no longer in school
2014 - Leonard Fournette (1st round pick)
2014 - Jamal Adams (1st round pick)
2014 - Malachi Dupre (7th round pick)
2014 - Clifton Garrett (transferred to JuCo/UAB)2015 - Tyron Johnson (transferred to Oklahoma St)

Guys in school
2015 - Kevin Toliver II
2016 - Kristian Fulton
2016 - Rashard Lawrence
2017 - JaCoby Stevens
How do we have more guys in the nfl with all our less magical 5 stars?
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:28 pm to
Because Saban didn't get started until 2008. Lots of your guys were drafted before. Nobody has put more players in the league than Saban over the last decade.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260459 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:31 pm to
Bama will have less than 50 yards vs LSU on Saturday, guaranteed.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

Because of the length and serious tone of this post I'm going to assume it's an actual post and not one of the recent LOLRideBaws posts.

If so.............what makes you think this? LSU's run defense has not been good all season.

Mississippi State : 48 attempts, 285 yards (5.94 YPC)
Troy : 42 attempts, 206 yards (4.90 YPC)
Florida : 38 attempts, 194 yards (5.11 YPC)
Auburn : 44 attempts, 189 yards (4.30 YPC)
Ole Miss : 28 carries, 153 yards (5.46 YPC)

Even the last 3 weeks against UF, AU and Ole Miss the LSU defense is giving up 4.87 YPC.

In 2016 it was very different. LSU was dominating in run defense heading into the Alabama game.

I'm not saying that LSU won't have a great plan and might cause some problems, but nothing they have done so far to this point in 2017 would make anyone think that their run defense would be able to stop Alabama's run offense.


LSU was out our 3 best Dlinemen vs MSU and just got Herron back at AUBURN and only played a few snaps. We are still battling injuries, though these two weeks should give us ZERO excuse to have our best game.

Key and Herron have been out of shape and Key is just starting to look normal. Lawrence has been battling slight ankle injuries so again, these few weeks should have this unit the best its been all year.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38231 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:34 pm to
It doesn’t look good on paper. Neither did LSU’s matchup with Auburn.

They’ve been playing with a beat up DL all season and in the case of Troy and MSU, with no effort. Rashard Lawrence has been playing on two bad ankles and Edwin Alexander has been out a lot. They got Frank Herron back for Auburn and he really helped shore up things. So getting everyone healthy and fresh this week should be huge.

Also, the mistakes happening in run defense are not usually because the DL is getting blown off the ball. There’s been issues with young guys taking iffy angles and missing tackles. Donnie Alexander who has been starting for most of the season was playing really poorly and was finally replaced with FR Tyler Taylor against Ole Miss. It didn’t look pretty at times vs Ole Miss but most of the problems came from guys not fitting in their gaps on time and runs spilling out of the original containment and safeties having to reroute. I think with a week off Aranda will be able to fix this to a degree as he has already in the tackling game.

I’m not saying LSU will force Damien Harris to 1.7 YPC but the defense should look really good vs Alabama for the most part
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10233 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:38 pm to
I see your sarcasm meter is not working. Try turning it on.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:41 pm to
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How do we have more guys in the nfl with all our less magical 5 stars?


Nobody is talking about past years. We are talking about the current makeup of the rosters.

But, for the sake of argument..........

Last 5 years in 1st round picks
Alabama : 11
LSU : 6

Last 5 years in 1st & 2nd Round Picks
Alabama : 19
LSU : 13

Last 5 years in 1st, 2nd, 3rd Round Picks
Alabama : 26
LSU : 20

Last 5 years in Total Picks
Alabama : 41
LSU : 35


LSU churned out 1st-3rd round picks from 2007-2014 like almost nobody else. Alabama and LSU were very, very even talent wise (both depth and top end talent) from 2008-2013 or so.

However, since then, it's not nearly as high a rate. And the ones they do churn out were highly recruited, High 4-stars and 5-stars. So, I think the stars (especially Top 100 player types) matter.



JMHO.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

these few weeks should have this unit the best its been all year.


It gave up 5.5 YPC to Ole Miss!
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 1:44 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95158 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

Nobody has put more players in the league than Saban over the last decade.

True

Alabama-68
LSU-67



Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
95158 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:48 pm to
quote:

Last 5 years in 1st round picks
Alabama : 11
LSU : 6

Last 5 years in 1st & 2nd Round Picks
Alabama : 19
LSU : 13

Last 5 years in 1st, 2nd, 3rd Round Picks
Alabama : 26
LSU : 20

Last 5 years in Total Picks
Alabama : 41
LSU : 35

Looks like we matchup pretty damn well in talent to me


Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

Looks like we matchup pretty damn well in talent to me


I mean LSU is still clearly talented. But they used to be even with Alabama every year and individual position group matchups would swing one way or the other. That really isn't the case anymore.

Doesn't mean that LSU has no chance to beat Alabama on the field or that it can't change in a class or two (LSU's freshman class this year appears to be very good), but that's kind of the tale of the tape right now and the last 5 years IMHO.
This post was edited on 10/24/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted by geauxcoco
Greenville, SC
Member since Apr 2007
11024 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:13 pm to
We focused more on stopping the pass then the rush vs OM which was the right call. That ain’t happening vs Bama.
Posted by ShreveportTiger1987
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2014
5494 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:15 pm to
Some fans think their team will win every week. I normally do too, but I just cannot see LSU winning @ Bama this year.. I have faith LSU will keep it close.. but that's going to be extremely difficult too.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:54 pm to
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We focused more on stopping the pass then the rush vs OM which was the right call. That ain’t happening vs Bama.


Well, guess we'll see. If you have to commit extra guys one way or another it leaves you with other problems.

Guess we'll see if we can exploit it.

Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10233 posts
Posted on 10/24/17 at 3:02 pm to
I'd like to think that also, but I don't like the match up there. Their Bama OL > LSU DL
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