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Would you want to use a scholorship on a rich recruit?
Posted on 4/5/11 at 8:49 am
Posted on 4/5/11 at 8:49 am
I was thinking about this this morning driving in. Duron Carter is going to Bama. Bama, among others, has to get themselves under the 85 limit by August.
Would it not be a smart move to ask Duron to come on his own dime since his family is obviously well off? That way he basically takes some scrub walk ons spot and can dress and play without affecting the scholorship limit. If he says no...then there is no loss for Bama. If he says yes, it is a win for Bama.
It is not an attractive offer, by any means, to teh recruit but in all honesty, the coach needs to get his team under that limit...not concern himself with a recruits family finances...and i am not sure his other options are to play for free at a lesser program.
Would it not be a smart move to ask Duron to come on his own dime since his family is obviously well off? That way he basically takes some scrub walk ons spot and can dress and play without affecting the scholorship limit. If he says no...then there is no loss for Bama. If he says yes, it is a win for Bama.
It is not an attractive offer, by any means, to teh recruit but in all honesty, the coach needs to get his team under that limit...not concern himself with a recruits family finances...and i am not sure his other options are to play for free at a lesser program.
This post was edited on 4/5/11 at 8:53 am
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Posted on 4/5/11 at 8:52 am to parkjas2001
Great idea. Chris Carter could pay for his kid's college twice and never see the dent in the bank account.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 8:54 am to parkjas2001
Would it be a smart move? Maybe, but I don't see this working.
If another school in the SEC offered Carter a scholarship while Bama wants him to pay his own way...which school do you think he's going to pick?
If another school in the SEC offered Carter a scholarship while Bama wants him to pay his own way...which school do you think he's going to pick?
Posted on 4/5/11 at 8:55 am to parkjas2001
I believe it's a little more complicated than that.
It's my understanding that having them under scholarship gives them more official access to AD facilities and services, and probably allows the coach to exercise a little more control over them.
There might be work-arounds to this, but that's my understanding.
It's my understanding that having them under scholarship gives them more official access to AD facilities and services, and probably allows the coach to exercise a little more control over them.
There might be work-arounds to this, but that's my understanding.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 8:58 am to parkjas2001
It makes sense to us, but not to these entitled kids. It's just like when a pro athlete negotiates for an even bigger contact. They don't need the money. It's all about being respected as the best in their sport. Kids would see it that way. "If I'm good enough, you need to fork out to get me here. I'm way better than this guy. Why is he getting a free ride?" And if the kid is any good, that wouldn't be the best approach in trying to get him to your school. 
Posted on 4/5/11 at 9:09 am to parkjas2001
There are already a few kids on Bama's roster who are assumed on scholly who are, according to a contact, already paying on their own (parent's) dime. Just a few that I've heard:
Tyler Love
Wilson Love
David Ross
Harrison Jones (i believe Barrett may also pay a portion & have some academic scholly $ as well)
I think there are 2 more and a Bryant Scholarship player as well. Point being - this is already done at some schools, but it is typically requested of legacy players and not players whose family had no previous ties to the university.
Also, Bama doesn't have to get under 85. They are already at 85 counting Carter, but not counting the above.
ETA: there are rules about a player who is a "walk on" who was also recruited. Sometimes the player pays his own way only after a period of time on scholly.
Tyler Love
Wilson Love
David Ross
Harrison Jones (i believe Barrett may also pay a portion & have some academic scholly $ as well)
I think there are 2 more and a Bryant Scholarship player as well. Point being - this is already done at some schools, but it is typically requested of legacy players and not players whose family had no previous ties to the university.
Also, Bama doesn't have to get under 85. They are already at 85 counting Carter, but not counting the above.
ETA: there are rules about a player who is a "walk on" who was also recruited. Sometimes the player pays his own way only after a period of time on scholly.
This post was edited on 4/5/11 at 9:57 am
Posted on 4/5/11 at 9:10 am to parkjas2001
How do you think they got rich in the first place? It wasn't by passing up free money.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 9:31 am to sicboy
Most walk ons have access to the same perks (training facilities and academic counseling) as the scholarship athletes. The coaches do have a little more control over the scholarship athletes as far as when they must report for practice before the semester starts, etc. since they basically sign a contract agreeing to certain terms and walk ons do not.
This post was edited on 4/5/11 at 9:33 am
Posted on 4/5/11 at 9:51 am to parkjas2001
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Would you want to use a scholorship on a rich recruit?
Uh...yes?
Duron Carter aside, why would you treat a recruit differently just because his folks are well off?
:thatssocialism:
This post was edited on 4/5/11 at 9:52 am
Posted on 4/5/11 at 9:55 am to parkjas2001
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Posted on 4/5/11 at 9:56 am to ZereauxSum
Doesn't a player count toward the 85 total if they play in games whether they are on scholarship or not?
Posted on 4/5/11 at 9:57 am to chadau79
quote:I don't think walk ons count, but I don't know 100%.
Doesn't a player count toward the 85 total if they play in games whether they are on scholarship or not?
Posted on 4/5/11 at 9:58 am to chadau79
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Doesn't a player count toward the 85 total if they play in games whether they are on scholarship or not?
The 85 limit is on scholarship players only. In theory, you could have 22 starters as walk-ons and none of them would count against your 85 limit.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 9:59 am to bamasgot13
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The 85 limit is on scholarship players only. In theory, you could have 22 starters as walk-ons and none of them would count against your 85 limit.
Why is there a 85 scholarship limit anyway? What's wrong with giving a free education to as many people as possible?
Posted on 4/5/11 at 10:02 am to Bench McElroy
So that the football team can profit more and use that money to pay off the debts of the womens programs mandated by Title IX?
Don't get me started!!!
Don't get me started!!!
Posted on 4/5/11 at 10:02 am to Bench McElroy
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Why is there a 85 scholarship limit anyway?
Something to do with some guy with a weird nickname...Bryant, I think...and the way he would sign players he never intended to play just to keep them from playing for rivals.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 10:03 am to Bench McElroy
quote:To level the playing field. A bama fan should know this.
Why is there a 85 scholarship limit anyway? What's wrong with giving a free education to as many people as possible?
Posted on 4/5/11 at 10:03 am to chadau79
Nope the 85 number is a scholarship only number and does not include walkons who play in games. 85 on scholarship + 20 preferred walkons = 105 man roster for fall camp. After school starts you can have as many walkons as you want and they are labelled as participants. Some schools routinely have 120+ participants including scholarship players, preferred walkons and others.
This post was edited on 4/5/11 at 10:04 am
Posted on 4/5/11 at 10:05 am to bamasgot13
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Bryant, I think...and the way he would sign players he never intended to play just to keep them from playing for rivals.
And he wasn't doing wrong. After all, it's the players who are signing the letters of intent. Nobody's putting a gun to their head and forcing them to go to Alabama. They all knew what they were getting into.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 10:08 am to bamaham
Cool, thanks for the clarification bamaham. 
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