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Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:50 pm to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:50 pm to fibonaccisquared
Frost played for Bill Walsh at Stanford, then transferred to Nebraska where he played for Tom Osborne as QB.
He was drafted in the NFL by the Jets where he played defensive back, coached by Parcells, Belichek, and Eric Mangini.
He had various NFL stops at Green Bay under Mike Sherman, and at Tampa Bay under Jon Gruden and Monte Kiffin.
Then he went into coaching, and ended up at Oregon under Chip Kelly after starting out as a defensive coach.
He took over an 0-12 UCF team, got them to 6-7 last year, and is undefeated this year.
The guy knows offense and defense, and he has built a ton of relationships in the state of Florida in a very short period of time.
Frost may be young, but he has the potential to turn UF back into a powerhouse very quickly.
He was drafted in the NFL by the Jets where he played defensive back, coached by Parcells, Belichek, and Eric Mangini.
He had various NFL stops at Green Bay under Mike Sherman, and at Tampa Bay under Jon Gruden and Monte Kiffin.
Then he went into coaching, and ended up at Oregon under Chip Kelly after starting out as a defensive coach.
He took over an 0-12 UCF team, got them to 6-7 last year, and is undefeated this year.
The guy knows offense and defense, and he has built a ton of relationships in the state of Florida in a very short period of time.
Frost may be young, but he has the potential to turn UF back into a powerhouse very quickly.
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Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:53 pm to boXerrumble
Post. Is. Winning.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:57 pm to Gatorbait2008
Y'all gonna end up with Shannon or Major Applesauce
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:59 pm to Gatorbait2008
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It's also isanely hard to win there
Legitimate question... how is this true? I recognize that Nebraska is not good currently... however, here is their division:
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Iowa
Minnesota
Purdue
Illinois
Legit... that should be a 1 game season in your division with Wisconsin... Iowa in some years can be decent but certainly not with any frequency... Beyond that, you've got a Northwestern team that has fluctuated from bad to decent... The division is ripe to win with the right coach if they can acquire talent. I recognize *that* is a challenge, but winning the B1G West might be one of the few P5 conference divisions that is less impressive than the SEC East. Meanwhile the East of course has tOSU and Penn State, with Michigan State and Michigan looming as well...
Update while writing this post... don't feel like rewriting all of that...
Just noticed that tOSU is a permanent rival from the East... I can see it now... Very similar to Tennessee's situation actually. Even if you're good enough to dominate the weak half, you've got the near insta-loss at least in the early going to give you a low margin of error. Actually makes me chuckle at how dumb they were to fire Pelini who was getting them no *worse* than 9 win seasons...
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:02 am to boXerrumble
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Frost may be young, but he has the potential to turn UF back into a powerhouse very quickly.
You know I have been posting on your boards for a while, right? I'm just giving bait a hard time. I think Frost would probably be the best non-P5 coaching hire to be made here for UF... Not without risk, but he's certainly got a lot of upside. Would rather you hire Norvell.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:03 am to Gatorbait2008
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he knows how to recruit the state
So does Charlie Strong and he wouldn't even come on board with the unrealistic expectations uf has.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:04 am to fibonaccisquared
As stated in the post, the recruiting is tough. It's in the middle of the country, and has no major recruiting base. Their division is incredibly bad, but you aren't satisfying fans in Nebraska going 9-3 and struggling vs the bigger teams. See Bo. His record is about as good as I think you can get at Nebraska unless a truly elite coach. Now. Frost I think may be that, but his style is also not good for Nebraska.
Nebraska needs to remove the emotional return of their QB, and get Campbell. He is the perfect fit for them. Frost would have to literally go out of state for almost every kid he wants to run a system like his. Nebraska has high expectations, but is incredibly hard to meet those expectations with what is offered there. Major difference with Florida is, while high expectations, the resources are there to possibly meet them. I don't think they are for Nebraska.
Nebraska needs to remove the emotional return of their QB, and get Campbell. He is the perfect fit for them. Frost would have to literally go out of state for almost every kid he wants to run a system like his. Nebraska has high expectations, but is incredibly hard to meet those expectations with what is offered there. Major difference with Florida is, while high expectations, the resources are there to possibly meet them. I don't think they are for Nebraska.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:05 am to fibonaccisquared
I know..and usually we agree and are civil. Why you pulling up on me G!
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:11 am to fibonaccisquared
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I don't think you understand what a "good job" is as a coach... Having access to elite recruits and having a program with the funds to support you is one thing. Having fans and an athletic department with unrealistic expectations is another. Winning the east in back to back years and being fired midway through the next season is not most what most coaches would call a good job. That means at the first opportunity, when shite goes sideways, you're liable to be canned... oh and BTW... UF is willing to frick you on the buyout clause...
Not saying you can't get Frost, nor do I think he's some kind of homerun hire... but the idea that somehow you guys are this sparkly, shiny shite doesn't stink job right now is a bit farcical. A guy like Frost is probably the right level for what you guys will go after though. Up and comers has been UF's mantra with coaching hires generally... rather than proven commodities. If you go back to Spurrier, you're 2 out of 5... that's not bad odds honestly... Hell... UT is 0 for the last 3. UGA had some duds between Dooley and Richt and still never made it where we wanted to be, thus we brought in Kirby.
And on top of all this, who did the OP say was "circling" UCF?
fricking boosters.
I mean, it's not exactly like Mal Moore getting on the university jet.
That's the thing at Florida...far too often the inmates run the fricking asylum. Bear Bryant once said he could take Florida's players and win championships...but he couldn't win at Florida.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 12:12 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:14 am to Gatorbait2008
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As stated in the post, the recruiting is tough. It's in the middle of the country, and has no major recruiting base
This part I get and don't disagree with. Pellini was having some success... then Riley started pulling talent from California (#calibraska movement... still doesn't $mell right honestly). I do recall from the RMD that we do, that Nebraska had some issues with getting guys *in* as well, so apparently entry requirements can be a problem.
Just was curious what the "hard to win at" dialogue was coming from... the division is garbage... playing tOSU every year of course... less than thrilling.
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Nebraska needs to remove the emotional return of their QB, and get Campbell
Honestly, that's not a bad call... I've seen that they might try and pull the HC at Wyoming though if they don't land Frost (former DC for them). Campbell would be a good fit and has been recruiting the region.
Florida's challenge is not that the resources aren't available so much as that the other programs in the state are finally starting to really compete for those resources, not to mention your friendly neighbors to the north.
I mean, at the end of the day, there are a ton of great players in Florida, but with Miami having a resurgence, FSU probably continuing to recruit well for the foreseeable future, it's not like UF has this limitless supply of 4/5* guys before you even get to the out of state competition (not to mention USF, FAU, UCF occasionally snaking a guy potentially)... On the upside though... Frost didn't work with all 4/5* guys at Oregon either and it worked pretty well for him... He knows how to work with the ingredients he can pull, and even splitting the state up, UF's gonna pull decent classes no matter what (probably at worst ever 20ish, usually closer to 10ish if not recruiting great... and top 5 potential is there with the right staff and momentum).
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:23 am to SCLibertarian
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UCF went 0-12 in 2015 and now they're 7-0 and a Top 20 team. Frost has done an amazing job there. He may not pan out at UF, but he seems like a guy you have to go after if he wants the job.
Why does everyone ignore that in the 3 seasons before that 0-12 year when George O'Leary had been talked out of retiring over the summer UCF was 10-4 (7-1), 12-1 (8-0) w/a Fiesta Bowl win and conference title, and 9-4 (7-1) w/another conference title?
They were not the normal 0-12 team that was devoid of talent. It was a fluke season led by a tired old man who didn't want to coach anymore.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:24 am to Gatorbait2008
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Less than .400 win percentage vs ranked teams
Apropos Mac's firing and whether it was reasonable, the expectations it puts on the next guy, etc --- I feel like this was one major reason behind his being let go. It wasn't the amount of losses but to whom the losses came and how badly they lost. Over the past two and a half seasons FLA hasn't gotten hosed down 2x each by: Alabama, Michigan, Florida State. And then once by Arkansas and then UGA last week.
Honestly when they got stomped by Michigan in the first game of this season, it looked to me like a bad sign for Mac. Florida should never get beat that bad by Michigan, even with Harbaugh. They were physically out-matched, which should not happen often to a team like FLA. None of the elite coaches on the scene got beat so badly so consistently by good teams over their first 2-3 years. FLA athletic department saw that Mac wasn't the guy, and maybe it seems a little premature but if you know something isn't going to work out its best to end it. The whole death threats thing just gave the powers at be the ammo they needed to go ahead and do it.
It does put some pressure on the next guy, whoever that may be. But that just comes with the territory at an SEC program that has had the success that they have had recently. Even if Mac would have been retained for next year and fired after 4 seasons instead of 2.5, the expectations or pressure really wouldn't change, or be any less.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:48 am to FightingTigers138
[quote]the armpit of Florida. (Gainesville)[/quote
Don't act like Baton Rouge isn't a giant cesspool.
Don't act like Baton Rouge isn't a giant cesspool.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 12:59 am to Gatorbait2008
Come try that air raid shite against LSU.
I don't even know if Frost runs an air raid offense. I just figured that would be the number 1 offense
I don't even know if Frost runs an air raid offense. I just figured that would be the number 1 offense
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:23 am to Dr RC
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Why does everyone ignore that in the 3 seasons before that 0-12 year when George O'Leary had been talked out of retiring over the summer UCF was 10-4 (7-1), 12-1 (8-0) w/a Fiesta Bowl win and conference title, and 9-4 (7-1) w/another conference title?
Some delusional Gator fans think Frost is the next best thing to the internet. They keep forgetting, it's fricking UCF. We might as well hire O'Leary because he was winning there a lot longer than Frost and has actual coaching experience. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what quality win does Frost has on his resume as a head coach? I can't find one after 20 games. Someone please tell me who has Frost played with a pulse?
UF is not the place to be learning on the fricking job. Haven't we figured that out with Zook, Muschamp and Mac already? Frost would be a huge gamble that UF can't afford to make right now.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:28 am to Gatorbait2008
One thing is for sure, uf cant survive another bad hire.
With Richt at Miami, strong at usf, kiffen at the fau, and free shoes looking to bounce back.....
another bad hire will have uf in the pecking order similar to what smu is at in the state of Texas.
With Richt at Miami, strong at usf, kiffen at the fau, and free shoes looking to bounce back.....
another bad hire will have uf in the pecking order similar to what smu is at in the state of Texas.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:30 am to Gatorbait2008
Stay away from UCF you Gators! UCF needs to keep him and see if he can build that program - not go to that coaching carousel in Gainesville.
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 2:30 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 5:29 am to otowntiger
He isnt leaving Frost text me saying how he is getting a good LOL out of the gator nation.
#UCF FACTS
#UCF FACTS
Posted on 11/2/17 at 5:33 am to Gatorbait2008
I would be surprised if Frost is their 1st target given his short tenure as a HC. Florida could easily get someone more proven. I guess it's a risk they might be willing to take.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 7:57 am to kywildcatfanone
Honest question, who is "more proven"? Assuming that for a multitude of reasons Nick, Jimbo, Urban, and Dabo are off the table. Who are all these coaches that are guaranteed homerun hires?
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