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re: :With All Due Respect Auburn (a lesson in (un)masked agendas):
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:37 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:37 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
I don`t understand why the bowl committee placed TCU V BSU last year. It only continued the questions whereas the oklahoma v bsu n utah v bama was somewhat helpful even though they were only bowl games. Your spot on about espn trying to screw up the bcs so that we can get to a playoff system. They`d have more games to broadcast.
Check out the book death to the bcs. The guy completely unveils n trashes everything the BCS does. He wants a 16 team playoff with the top 8 having homefield advantage and better seeding(1 vs 16). So it would still insure the integrity of the season. He estimates it would earn $880 million for the schools. Right now, a lot of the money isn`t getting to the schools. Schools have to deal with bowl committees who are hoarding the cash(ex. sugar bowl president makes 500k a year...) He also argues the Big 6 commissioners don`t want the playoff system because they have all the power now and if the MWC or another conference started outperforming them, they`d lose it. 106 out of the 120 division one athletic departments reported net losses last year.
Overall, there isn`t a conspiracy, its just a poorly run, broken system.
Check out the book death to the bcs. The guy completely unveils n trashes everything the BCS does. He wants a 16 team playoff with the top 8 having homefield advantage and better seeding(1 vs 16). So it would still insure the integrity of the season. He estimates it would earn $880 million for the schools. Right now, a lot of the money isn`t getting to the schools. Schools have to deal with bowl committees who are hoarding the cash(ex. sugar bowl president makes 500k a year...) He also argues the Big 6 commissioners don`t want the playoff system because they have all the power now and if the MWC or another conference started outperforming them, they`d lose it. 106 out of the 120 division one athletic departments reported net losses last year.
Overall, there isn`t a conspiracy, its just a poorly run, broken system.
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Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:59 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
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thanks Dad ill be sure to do that next time
The "TL;DR" crowd reaps what it sows, pal.
You're the one who came off sounding like anything over 150 characters is equivalent to the reading comprehension section on the SAT.
I can summarize this response so you don't have to read further: "politics"
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First of all they wont put TCU v Boise for the 2nd year in a row
Boise played TCU last year. Absolutely NO CHANCE that could ever happen again, right?
There's a reason the BCS committee put those two in the same game, and there's absolutely no reason to think the same committee wouldn't do the same thing again. Remember, it's the BCS conference commissioners setting the BCS matchups. Politics are at play here whether you want to believe it or not.
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Secondly, theres no way in hell they award TCU or Boise the AP if Oregon or Auburn go 14-0
The AP could never overlook the accomplishments of the winner of the BCS title game in favor of another team with the exact same or nearly the same record, right?
So you'd be willing to stake your life on neither one of those possibilities occurring, when they either have occurred or something similar has occurred in the past?
I'm not saying either one of those definitely will happen, but there's a very good chance one or both happens. If you don't think so, then you're not paying attention to the politics going on behind the scenes.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 1:01 pm to wardamnamerica
College football is a business like anything else, if it wasn't you could pay $10 to go to a game. Maybe not, but you get the point.
I can tell you since 2003, College football talking heads have tried to make something out of TCU. I was at Southern Miss that year when TCU was ranked 5th in the nation and came to Hattiesburg and got that arse handed to them.
The same has been with Boise State. Since the inception of the BCS, there have been so called BCS busters that are supposed to make the game more interesting and bring in revenue. But to who? I don't want to see BSU play for a National Championship when their toughest game has been the Louisville College for the Blind. Give me 2 teams that have played at least 4 ranked opponents and have remained undefeated or have 1 loss.
I can tell you since 2003, College football talking heads have tried to make something out of TCU. I was at Southern Miss that year when TCU was ranked 5th in the nation and came to Hattiesburg and got that arse handed to them.
The same has been with Boise State. Since the inception of the BCS, there have been so called BCS busters that are supposed to make the game more interesting and bring in revenue. But to who? I don't want to see BSU play for a National Championship when their toughest game has been the Louisville College for the Blind. Give me 2 teams that have played at least 4 ranked opponents and have remained undefeated or have 1 loss.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 1:19 pm to JoshuaChamberlain
Palmer is a fricking tool.
He has a problem with Auburn barely beating Miss. St.?
News Flash: Miss St. is a top 25 team this year and would be the toughest game on Boise's schedule if Boise played them.
I did like what Craig James said though. You have to take your emotions out of your rankings and ask yourself who is better.
He has a problem with Auburn barely beating Miss. St.?
News Flash: Miss St. is a top 25 team this year and would be the toughest game on Boise's schedule if Boise played them.
I did like what Craig James said though. You have to take your emotions out of your rankings and ask yourself who is better.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 1:34 pm to JoshuaChamberlain
Great post, enjoyed reading it. I'm glad we dropped to #2, it should give Auburn something to be pissed about and play that much harder.
I do think it's worth noting that Oregon's opponents are a combined 24-41, while Auburn's opponents are a combined 41-30. Those chodes on ESPN can eat a bowl of dicks, strength of schedule does matter. If SOS no longer matters, the SEC needs to limit conference games and start playing Furman, LAMO, Florida Atlantic every game.
I do think it's worth noting that Oregon's opponents are a combined 24-41, while Auburn's opponents are a combined 41-30. Those chodes on ESPN can eat a bowl of dicks, strength of schedule does matter. If SOS no longer matters, the SEC needs to limit conference games and start playing Furman, LAMO, Florida Atlantic every game.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 1:41 pm to GenTso
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You're the one who came off sounding like anything over 150 characters is equivalent to the reading comprehension section on the SAT.
If its not an actual sports writer, no I dont want to read a diatribe by some stranger on a message board.
Theres a picture of Sesame Street character in the middle....hard to take that serious.
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Boise played TCU last year. Absolutely NO CHANCE that could ever happen again, right?
that was my point interwebz tough guy....they know nobody wants to see that again.
The luster of "the battle of 2 cinderellas" vanished after the 17-10 display of fireworks they put up last year.
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The AP could never overlook the accomplishments of the winner of the BCS title game in favor of another team with the exact same or nearly the same record, right?
Thatd be a great argument if either of the teams went undefeated in 03', but they didnt.
Its highly more likely that an undefeated PAC10 or SEC teams wins both the AP and BCS if they finish 14-0.
Actually its pretty much a given.
Since youre very big on the politics and conspiracy theories in CFB, wouldnt you think there is no way an undefeated Auburn doesnt get rewarded after the way they got hosed in 04....
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If you don't think so, then you're not paying attention to the politics going on behind the scenes
Politics have 0 bearing if an SEC or Pac 10 team goes unbeaten this year, how do you not understand this?
Again, what happened in 2003 and 2004 was a gigantic black eye for the legitimacy of the rankings.
They dont want that again.
People are just now re-gaining a little respect for the system, the last thing they want is a split title.
You just take your ball and go home sir....
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 11/1/10 at 2:50 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
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WelcomeToDeathValley
There's an entire book about the politics behind the BCS called "Death to the BCS." It's written by sportswriters, too. May want to check it out.
It's more than 150 characters so you may want to find some Cliff's notes that were written by a sportswriter.
Oh, and the only reason I have a copy of that book? Because I'm a sportswriter and received a promotional copy. If you want to get technical, I'm more a sports-rewriter who does more work on the production end, but that doesn't have nearly the same ring.
Reading over 150 characters from sportswriters, other authors or even -- gasp! -- message board strangers and you might discover that last year's matchup between Boise and TCU had absolutely nothing to do with who the public wanted to see play in a BCS game.
Further, wins and losses in 2003 HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POINT THAT THE AP DECIDED TO VOTE FOR ANOTHER CHAMPIONS BESIDES THE BCS TITLE GAME WINNER ... all caps presented to you by a sportswriter since that's supposed to somehow make a difference.
Internet tough guy?
... Ok, Mr. sensitive. I'm not saying I'm right, but you are unquestionably wrong. Denying the possibility of a potential outcome -- especially when it's occurred before -- is asinine and as ignorant as the garbage we've heard from ESPN's talking heads.
It CAN happen. And it's happened before so it's idiotic to say it can never happen again.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 2:53 pm to GenTso
I never said it couldnt happen....
All bullshite aside.
You honestly think if Auburn or Oregon goes undefeated that they would not win the AP title?
I read sportswriters, a lot; not a guy who puts Bert and Ernie in the middle of ridiculously long post on the SEC Rant. You cant blame me for not taking that serious, you need to read the Tiger Rant and you'll understand...
This particular board is more 2-3 sentences of arguing about X's and O's and statistics; that was my point all along.
The More Sports Board is a better place to debate BCS conspiracies.
that sounds like a good read.
If you think I doubt there is politics involved you have me all wrong.
My argument is that it would be nearly impossible for an undefeated Auburn or Oregon to not claim both titles.
Boise's chance is dependent upon them being undefeated and a major conf team having 1 loss (like an Alabama).
All bullshite aside.
You honestly think if Auburn or Oregon goes undefeated that they would not win the AP title?
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Reading over 150 characters from sportswriters
I read sportswriters, a lot; not a guy who puts Bert and Ernie in the middle of ridiculously long post on the SEC Rant. You cant blame me for not taking that serious, you need to read the Tiger Rant and you'll understand...
This particular board is more 2-3 sentences of arguing about X's and O's and statistics; that was my point all along.
The More Sports Board is a better place to debate BCS conspiracies.
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"Death to the BCS"
that sounds like a good read.
If you think I doubt there is politics involved you have me all wrong.
My argument is that it would be nearly impossible for an undefeated Auburn or Oregon to not claim both titles.
Boise's chance is dependent upon them being undefeated and a major conf team having 1 loss (like an Alabama).
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 11/1/10 at 3:00 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
Why would ESPN/ABC be plotting to keep Auburn down? Didn't ESPN just invest a billion dollars in the SEC?
Posted on 11/1/10 at 3:07 pm to biglego
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Didn't ESPN just invest a billion dollars in the SEC?
Whether or not Auburn (or Alabama or LSU) plays in the NCG doesn't matter to ESPN with regard to its telecast of SEC games. The NCG isn't on ESPN (or ABC or any ot their other platforms). If ESPN can hasten the advent of a playoff system by advocating for the JV to make it to the NCG, they figure they rate to get a bigger slice of that bigger pie than they currently have of the BCS games. Televising the SEC leftovers after CBS gets the pick of the litter will get them a return on their current investment. They've moved on to bigger opportunities.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 3:12 pm to nycajun
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Whether or not Auburn (or Alabama or LSU) plays in the NCG doesn't matter to ESPN with regard to its telecast of SEC games
Wouldnt ESPN want its televised games to be as relevant as possible to the national title discussion? Would increase ratings.
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They've moved on to bigger opportunities.
I dunno. Seems like a billion dollars is a pretty big investment, not something they would just try to blow up in the first year.
I never really noticed a huge push by ESPN for a playoff system anyway.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 3:17 pm to biglego
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Wouldnt ESPN want its televised games to be as relevant as possible to the national title discussion? Would increase ratings.
Already the case.
By trying to sell BSU/TCU they've given themselves hundreds of talking points and are creating a (for lack of a better phrase) false demand on Who Should Play For The National Championship airing every sportscenter/CFB live from here on out.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 3:19 pm to JoshuaChamberlain
too long for a readable post - too short for a manifesto
pick a path and stick with it
pick a path and stick with it
Posted on 11/1/10 at 3:20 pm to piggidyphish
Boise has no bearing if AU and Oregon go unbeaten, its not a situation where you could pull off a conspiracy; at all.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 3:26 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
the news outlets can say whatever they want to but if Auburn wins out we will get a top two spot and go to the MNC. the question should be can a one loss SEC team make it to the MNC and that is very doubtful.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 3:29 pm to rangers911
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the question should be can a one loss SEC team make it to the MNC
Bama could if they ran the table IMO
They will get respect for being the defending champs - they would have beaten Auburn (top two team), and they lost early enough in the season to recover in the opinion polls
When the alternative would be putting in Boise, TCU, or Utah - Bama would definitely go IMO
Posted on 11/1/10 at 3:31 pm to molsusports
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When the alternative would be putting in Boise, TCU, or Utah - Bama would definitely go IMO
they are getting killed in the computers though, should they beat LSU and Auburn itd be interesting to see how far they jumped
Posted on 11/1/10 at 3:34 pm to WelcomeToDeathValley
beating LSU would help a lot because it would be on the road and they would get the benefit of LSU's schedule strength
Beating Auburn would also be a substantial boost for taking down a highly ranked team with a decent schedule
Beating Auburn would also be a substantial boost for taking down a highly ranked team with a decent schedule
Posted on 11/1/10 at 3:36 pm to wardamnamerica
quote:Why do you think Nevada is ranked?....hint: Look at who remains on their schedule.....
I`d also like to point out how USC snuck back into the top 25 (no. 22) the week Oregon plays them.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 4:25 pm to molsusports
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too long for a readable post -too short for a manifest pick a path and stick with it
My original post was meant to be neither a manifesto nor an ear tickling Shel Silverstein haiku...
To the rest of you, part 2 will be up late night tonight.
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