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re: Will Tennessee ever be elite again?
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:21 pm to sand mountainDvalues
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:21 pm to sand mountainDvalues
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The state of Tennessee produces far more talent than South Carolina. VOLS had far nicer facilities up until recently as well (which Clemson can attribute to their success under Dabo).
And before Dabo, Clemson wasn’t exactly going down into Florida and Georgia and taking elite guys like they are now. And in VOLS heyday, they were going into Georgia and Carolinas and taking whoever they wanted.
Like I said, the only difference between the vast majority of programs in the Southeast is just the coach. Clemson’s recipe for success is identical to what Phil was doing in his prime.
Every program has nice facilities and money to spend now. Just about lucking out on a hire
Going back to 2000, South Carolina has more conference wins and overall wins than Tennessee has. That's almost 20 years, dude...
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:26 pm to BamaGradinTn
Lol @ using a one year sample to make your point.
2019: 8 of the top 12 were from the Nashville metro area.
2018: only 3 of the top 10 were from West Tennessee.
2017: 3 of the top 12 from Memphis.
2016: 2 of the top 12 from Memphis.
2015: 2 of the top 12 from Memphis.
Any further questions?
2019: 8 of the top 12 were from the Nashville metro area.
2018: only 3 of the top 10 were from West Tennessee.
2017: 3 of the top 12 from Memphis.
2016: 2 of the top 12 from Memphis.
2015: 2 of the top 12 from Memphis.
Any further questions?
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:28 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Yeah....no. The decade between Stallings and Saban was anything but good. It was mediocre to terrible.
And before that, you’d have to go back to the 50s to find the last time Bama struggled in that manner.
The late 90s-early 2000s Bama has proven to be an anomaly
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:29 pm to RollTide1987
From the same profession of attention whores who make a new top 10 all time list every 2 weeks on the same crap.
Yes, they will. Cycles.
Yes, they will. Cycles.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:34 pm to sand mountainDvalues
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Lol @ using a one year sample to make your point.
2019: 8 of the top 12 were from the Nashville metro area.
2018: only 3 of the top 10 were from West Tennessee.
2017: 3 of the top 12 from Memphis.
2016: 2 of the top 12 from Memphis.
2015: 2 of the top 12 from Memphis.
Any further questions?
Memphis recruits are a double-edged sword. We've had some good ones but damn we have had a lot of high profile busts out of Memphis. Nashville has tended be a lot more even on that count -- a guy might bust in terms of not living up to his rating but he's more likely to at least be a contributor whereas Memphis has had a lot of feast or famine type players.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:35 pm to Prof
Memphis doesn’t even produce many p5 football prospects now.
Knoxville produces just as many as Memphis does.
Knoxville produces just as many as Memphis does.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:37 pm to sand mountainDvalues
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The state of Tennessee produces far more talent than South Carolina. VOLS had far nicer facilities up until recently as well (which Clemson can attribute to their success under Dabo).
And before Dabo, Clemson wasn’t exactly going down into Florida and Georgia and taking elite guys like they are now. And in VOLS heyday, they were going into Georgia and Carolinas and taking whoever they wanted.
Like I said, the only difference between the vast majority of programs in the Southeast is just the coach. Clemson’s recipe for success is identical to what Phil was doing in his prime.
Every program has nice facilities and money to spend now. Just about lucking out on a hire
So the state of Tennessee talent is all you really got? Easy schedule and recent success more than make up for that. Clemson has always made a habit of taking 5 stars from Florida. A strong Clemson is very bad for the vols, as are a strong bama and uga team.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:41 pm to sand mountainDvalues
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The late 90s-early 2000s Bama has proven to be an anomaly
Well, that era of Alabama football history was strongly driven by two probationary periods. The Antonio Langham scandal got us put on probation in '95 and the Albert Means scandal got us put on probation in '02. So from 1995-1999 and 2002-2007, we were limited in recruiting due to a loss of scholarships.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:43 pm to sand mountainDvalues
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Memphis doesn’t even produce many p5 football prospects now.
Knoxville produces just as many as Memphis does.
Memphis recruiting has too much bs surrounding it. That's the biggest problem there. They have handlers for 2 stars and their dogs. A lot of programs don't want to fool with it unless a guy is nearly sure-fire. When that gets cleaned up they'll go back to producing more prospects but the politics and bs surrounding Memphis recruiting keeps a lot of people from pursuing more prospects from there.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:45 pm to djsdawg
Are you retarded or just intentionally misinterpreting my posts?
Recent success is Clemson’s biggest draw, and as I’ve said in the very post you quoted, it’s all about the coach you hire.
There’s very little separating most SEC and ACC programs. Just about every one of them are a good coach away from being contenders.
Recent success is Clemson’s biggest draw, and as I’ve said in the very post you quoted, it’s all about the coach you hire.
There’s very little separating most SEC and ACC programs. Just about every one of them are a good coach away from being contenders.
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:49 pm to RollTide1987
UT does not have that mental edge that they had twenty years ago. They can certainly be good again but teams are not scared of them anymore.
The competitive landscape is different now so it is possible for UT to make a run occasionally like State has done or possibly Ole Miss but it is hard to see them ever returning to the 90’s era year in and year out.
As has been mentioned they no longer have better facilities than anyone else and while Neyland is a big stadium it is not any nicer than anybody else outside Vandy.
The competitive landscape is different now so it is possible for UT to make a run occasionally like State has done or possibly Ole Miss but it is hard to see them ever returning to the 90’s era year in and year out.
As has been mentioned they no longer have better facilities than anyone else and while Neyland is a big stadium it is not any nicer than anybody else outside Vandy.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:50 pm to sand mountainDvalues
I am just finding the flaws in your points. The stars need to align for the vols, and they are all out of whack right now. It’s hard to have recent success when you have Clemson, bama, uga, and Florida in your way On and or off the field.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 2:57 pm to djsdawg
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Clemson, bama, uga, and Florida in your way On and or off the field.
And if VOLS luck into a good coach, none of that is relevant.
We were elite in the 90s, and that coincided with Stallings in the early 90s and Spurrier the rest of the decade. Bama has always been good, and yet VOLS have been able to be the 2nd best SEC program historically despite that.
You’re also drastically overrating Georgia’s impact on VOLS. Do you really think a program that hasn’t won a title in 40 years has any effect on VOLS, or any other surrounding program for that matter?
Every single one of our problems the past 15 years has been self inflicted lol.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 3:00 pm to djsdawg
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I am just finding the flaws in your points. The stars need to align for the vols, and they are all out of whack right now. It’s hard to have recent success when you have Clemson, bama, uga, and Florida in your way On and or off the field.
Recruiting isn't our issue and never has been no matter how badly tRanters want it to be whenever this issue comes up. We need a good coach. That's it. That's the missing star and has been since 08.
It's not recruiting, facilities, fanbase, or anything else. It's coaching. Pure and simple.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 3:02 pm to sand mountainDvalues
A good coach probably can’t overcome saban, Kirby, and dabo taking most of the top talent. Need the jimmy’s and joe’s.
The 90’s vols were helped by underachieving Clemson, uga, and bama programs back then. Y’all needed it then, and need it now, and there is zero reason to expect it to change anytime soon. Y’all essentially have 3 automatic losses now, which is far more than the 1 automatic loss in the 90’s.
The 90’s vols were helped by underachieving Clemson, uga, and bama programs back then. Y’all needed it then, and need it now, and there is zero reason to expect it to change anytime soon. Y’all essentially have 3 automatic losses now, which is far more than the 1 automatic loss in the 90’s.
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 7/20/19 at 3:03 pm to Prof
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Recruiting isn't our issue
Your talent level used to be elite. It hasn’t been in a while.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 3:14 pm to djsdawg
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Your talent level used to be elite. It hasn’t been in a while.
We had a top 5 class under Jones. We're recruiting well now despite coming off a 4-8 and 5-7 season (2019 class finished 12th nationally). Show some progress and recruiting will be top 5 again.
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 7/20/19 at 3:21 pm to Prof
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We had a top 5 class under Jones.
I know stars and recruiting rankings are all we can really use to judge recruiting, but do you really think those players were THAT good? You absolutely have to develop highly talented high schoolers to turn them into effective SEC players. Even if a lot of it was bad player development, I'm still pretty sure those classes were not Top 5 in talent. Top 25? Sure, but they were not Top 5 in reality.
Butch did what James Franklin did. They went chasing flashy, highly-touted prospects. They got guys who other programs probably were not going after as hard as the rankings would suggest. It looks great when you look at the Rivals, 247, or other site...but you have not actually equipped your football team for success.
I'm also not saying Pruitt cannot get top-tier talent to Knoxville. I just don't think those Butch Jones classes are a genuine way to say "look what we just did!"
Posted on 7/20/19 at 3:23 pm to djsdawg
Clemson’s entire history has been underachieving up Dabo. Alabama has always been an elite program, and yet VOLS had no issue being competitive. Georgia is 2-2 in their last 4 vs VOLS, and Kirby is nowhere close to the coach Dabo or Saban are 
.
The problems our football program has faced in this century aren’t exclusive to the football team. Every program sans basketball tanked under Hamilton and Hart, and the only reason basketball wasn’t also in the shitter was due to us lucking into Bruce. VOLS were a top 5-10 athletic department at the turn of the century under Dickey, and followed it up with hiring the two worst athletic directors in the history of our school.
You’re putting way too much emphasis on other programs and their influence on our success. Auburn have to share a state with the greatest dynasty in the history of the sport, and yet they’ve been more successful in the past decade than every other school in the conference.
. The problems our football program has faced in this century aren’t exclusive to the football team. Every program sans basketball tanked under Hamilton and Hart, and the only reason basketball wasn’t also in the shitter was due to us lucking into Bruce. VOLS were a top 5-10 athletic department at the turn of the century under Dickey, and followed it up with hiring the two worst athletic directors in the history of our school.
You’re putting way too much emphasis on other programs and their influence on our success. Auburn have to share a state with the greatest dynasty in the history of the sport, and yet they’ve been more successful in the past decade than every other school in the conference.
Posted on 7/20/19 at 3:27 pm to DoreonthePlains
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I know stars and recruiting rankings are all we can really use to judge recruiting, but do you really think those players were THAT good?
Our 2015 and 2016 squads were both good enough to be playoff contenders. A good coach likely goes 11-1 both years with that group, especially in 2015 where we threw away a late lead at Tuscaloosa, as well as choking away two TD leads vs Florida and Oklahoma.
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