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re: Will SEC championship game continue?
Posted on 6/15/23 at 11:58 pm to UGADawg1988
Posted on 6/15/23 at 11:58 pm to UGADawg1988
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The issue is that, say, we have a year that the #1 SEC team is 12-0, and two other teams are tied for second place with a 10-2 record. However we decide to break that tie, the loser has it made. They'll be 10-2 and will get into a 12 team playoff. The winner of the tie breaker gets to play in the SECCG, likely lose, and end up 10-3 and out of the playoffs.
A scenario where a team is punished for a top 2 finish (since we won’t be able to say winning their division).
And for the 12-0 team… anybody dinged up? Hold ‘em out. Pointless game.
The funniest thing for me to think about is what happens when the conference expands further? There will at least be a season where realignment makes automatic bids by conference look ridiculous & your 12-team field of 120 teams will just be picked by a committee — like the bcs with people instead of computers lol
This post was edited on 6/16/23 at 12:00 am
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Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:10 am to makersmark1
The conference will have to make tiebreaker procedures. For example, the Big 12 has no divisions so these are their procedures:
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Tiebreak Procedures. If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game.
If more than two teams tie for first place, the tiebreaker procedures below will be applied separately, to identify each participant in the championship game.
In the event two (or more teams) tie for second or any subsequent position, the tiebreaker procedures below will be used to break all ties as necessary.
For the avoidance of doubt, only Conference records will be used throughout the process:
If two teams are tied, the winner of the regular-season game between the two tied teams shall prevail. If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 4 will be followed until a determination is made.
If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the regular season game between the two tied teams shall prevail. The Conference records of the three or more teams will be compared against each other in a “mini round-robin” format. The Conference records of the three or more teams will be compared against the remaining team(s) in the Conference standings from top to bottom. When comparing against the remaining teams in the Conference standings any two-way ties will be broken by head-to-head competition before the comparison begins.
If more than a two-way tie exists amongst the remaining teams in the Conference standings, the record against the collective tied teams as a group will be used. Scoring differential among the tied teams. The team or teams with the lowest difference between points scored and points allowed in games vs. the tied teams is eliminated from consideration. Draw (In the event steps 1-3 cannot break a multi-team tie the prevailing team or teams will be determined by draw at the Conference office). In the event tiebreaking procedures are unsuccessful and a draw is necessary in determining any portion of seeding, the following procedures will be used: The draw will be conducted virtually, in public or with media attendance. Institutions involved in the drawing have the right to participate virtually or have a local representative in attendance at the drawing. A single slip of paper for each institution (with name or logo) will be placed in a container and will be drawn in order of seeding from highest to lowest. In the event that scheduled regular season contests cannot be played as originally scheduled, every effort shall be made to reschedule such a contest at the earliest possible date, provided that such rescheduling does not interfere with classes, examination periods, NCAA rules, or other sports prohibitions. If contests cannot be rescheduled and in the event of a first-place tie, the Conference tiebreaker system will be utilized to determine championship game participants or a Conference Champion.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:15 am to JayAg
The SEC already has pretty much the same tie break rule for divisional ties they’d just apply it as if the conference were one division.
The problem the UGA fan was pointing out was a very plausible scenario where the WINNER of said tie break is punished… for winning the tie break.
The problem the UGA fan was pointing out was a very plausible scenario where the WINNER of said tie break is punished… for winning the tie break.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:42 am to DeathByTossDive225
If said happens, we shall just use that fact to troll whomever benefits as an asterisk year*.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:56 am to DeathByTossDive225
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The problem the UGA fan was pointing out was a very plausible scenario where the WINNER of said tie break is punished… for winning the tie break.
Sure, but only the conference champ gets a first round bye and a top 4 seed.
That is a strong incentive to play in the SECCG. The CFP very purposely set it up that way for 2024.
A loser of the CCG in a top 2 divisionless matchup is still likely to make the CFP even with a #3 candidate from the SEC looming. Feels like a similar argument to those made in 1992 but rings hollow with a 12 team field with 6 at large.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 6:22 am to BZ504
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Only way it goes away is if college football teams gets 13 games per year with season ending on what’s now Championship Saturday.
An 8 game conference schedule in a 16 team league seems light.
Any chance we go to 10 or even 12 conference games?
Posted on 6/16/23 at 11:28 am to BrerTiger
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Sure, but only the conference champ gets a first round bye and a top 4 seed. That is a strong incentive to play in the SECCG.
The CFP very purposely set it up that way for 2024.
Devil’s advocate: With no CCG, the 12-0 team wins the conference and gets that seed anyhow.
It would be interesting to see how a 2nd place tie would be handled by the playoff committee, but 3/12 being SEC teams doesn’t sound outrageous.
If you look at it this way, it’s just an opportunity for an extra loss. It will be much more analogous to the championship game of the SEC baseball tournament than to the CCGs of old…
Only losing the championship game of a baseball tournament can’t hurt you the way losing a CCG in football can.
This post was edited on 6/16/23 at 11:33 am
Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:53 pm to LSUgrad88
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Biggest problem becomes if we are doing away with divisions and we end up with a nine game schedule; you will have situations tied teams did not play the same amount of home and away games. Will make for a whole lot of bitching if one team gets the nod and played 5 conference games at home and the one that didn't played only 4 conference games at home
Of course someone will. I always thought it should be the two best teams. Too many times an undefeated or one loss played a 3 or 4 loss team that finished 5th in the official conference standings. The current format set up had too many SECCG like last season where the outcome was known before the game was ever played. The couple years Mizzou got in, the game was a mere formality as well.
It's never gonna perfect but its probably better. We'll see.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 1:10 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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The funniest thing for me to think about is what happens when the conference expands further? There will at least be a season where realignment makes automatic bids by conference look ridiculous & your 12-team field of 120 teams will just be picked by a committee — like the bcs with people instead of computers lol
Yes. We will see plenty of years where, say, a 9-3 or 10-2 P5 conference winner will get a top 4 seed and a bye, while other teams, 11-1, play in the first round. It is far better to win the Big 12/PAC/ACC no matter what your record than it is to be 11-1 and finish #2 in the SEC or Big 10.
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