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re: Will oversigning be Nick Saban's biggest contribution to college football?
Posted on 3/2/11 at 7:13 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 3/2/11 at 7:13 am to Draconian Sanctions
My husband played ball at UA in the 70's. His scholarship was one-year renewable just like everyone else's and we all knew it. Some didn't get to keep it past a year. Most who didn't keep theirs were given another option that would pay for college. This isn't new. It makes perfect sense to me. Why reward someone who is not doing his best for the program?
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 7:19 am to Draconian Sanctions
Either oversigning or the swing toward the use of the 3-4 D.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 7:20 am to TBama93k
quote:Not true
bama did not over sign this year fwiw
Posted on 3/2/11 at 7:25 am to The Mick
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Not true
Bama did not sign over 25.
Signing over 25 is the only way to oversign.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 7:36 am to bona fide
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Bama did not sign over 25.
Signing over 25 is the only way to oversign.
Or if you dont have 25 schollies to give and sign more than that. For example, after the seniors and early NFL declares go, you still have 70 on scholarship. Then you sign 25. That is oversigning.Signing more than 25 is not really the debate. It is how many actually enroled and made it past the clearinghouse.
Tubs signed more than 25 a year but many could not even enroll, for grades and other reasons. So they were under the limit quite often and not oversigning.
I believe a few players signed as greyshirts, for alabama
This post was edited on 3/2/11 at 7:38 am
Posted on 3/2/11 at 7:43 am to NYCAuburn
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Or if you dont have 25 schollies to give and sign more than that
Bama has 85 schollies to give, as does most every other team.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 7:47 am to bona fide
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Bama has 85 schollies to give, as does most every other team.
Yes everyone has 85 scholarships to give out.
Do you not understand why people say Saban oversigns?
Also, as I have stated before I dont care. I am just pointing out that even if you only sign 25 this year, you can still be oversigning. And it is not about how many LOI's in 4 years.
This post was edited on 3/2/11 at 7:49 am
Posted on 3/2/11 at 7:47 am to Draconian Sanctions
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really not the point and again I don't mean this in a negative way at all.
Bull shite... Your thread title alone is negative toward Saban.
BTW... It was Spurrier not Saban who had to tell two kids this year that they couldn't report because they signed too many, not Saban.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 7:55 am to NYCAuburn
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Do you not understand why people say Saban oversigns?
LSU fans- Still mad he left
au fans - Hate Saban and all things Bama
Rest of the country- He is an easy target, at top of the game and very visible.
I don't see much hate towards the coach at Troy or any of the other mass oversigners. If Bama was 5-6 all the years he has coached at Bama nobody would care about how many he signs.
Have to agree to disagee on the other, Saban has 85 to give. Not possible to sign more than are available. If other teams/fans don't understand or like that then nothing I can do or want to do about it.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:11 am to bona fide
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LSU fans- Still mad he left
au fans - Hate Saban and all things Bama
Rest of the country- He is an easy target, at top of the game and very visible.
I don't see much hate towards the coach at Troy or any of the other mass oversigners. If Bama was 5-6 all the years he has coached at Bama nobody would care about how many he signs.
Have to agree to disagee on the other, Saban has 85 to give. Not possible to sign more than are available. If other teams/fans don't understand or like that then nothing I can do or want to do about it.
No, people say Saban oversigns because he has more greyshirts than everyone else and more med schollies than everyone else. This is how he gets around the 85 schollies. He enrolls more than the 85 over a 4 year period and has to make room for players one way or another. Yes every year he has only 85(again, not the argument). The argument against Saban is how he makes room for the 85. He actualy even signs kids with them knowing before hand that they will greyshirt. You might want to brush up on the oversigning argument before you defend it.
Yes I know they are one year scholarships, but thats not the point of the argument.
This post was edited on 3/2/11 at 8:13 am
Posted on 3/2/11 at 12:25 pm to NYCAuburn
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You might want to brush up on the oversigning argument before you defend it.
I didn't realize I was defending it. Was only posting some obvious facts, Bama didn't sign over 25, etc.
I don't feel studying up on the issue is needed, it's very simple issue.
-Schollies = one year
-Universities can enroll 25 per year
-Universities can have no more than 85 on scholly at any given time.
Those are the rules set forth by the NCAA. Everything else, all the whining from the media, oversigning.com etc. is just clutter.
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He actualy even signs kids with them knowing before hand that they will greyshirt.
Is this considered bad? Tressel must not think it is bad along with many other college coaches.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 12:43 pm to bona fide
You said
Which is not true
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Signing over 25 is the only way to oversign.
Which is not true
Posted on 3/2/11 at 12:49 pm to Aman
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Bull shite... Your thread title alone is negative toward Saban.
No it isn't.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 12:50 pm to NYCAuburn
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Signing over 25 is the only way to oversign.
Which is not true
Unless a true freshman is told (post LOI) they can't enroll via scholarship in the fall because there is no room, then yes, it is absolutely true.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 12:50 pm to NBamaAlum
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Either oversigning or the swing toward the use of the 3-4 D.
I don't remember many or even any college teams using the 3-4 before Saban did it so this might be another thing. Was the 3-4 ever in vogue at the college level back in the day?
This post was edited on 3/2/11 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 3/2/11 at 12:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
The biggest thing about oversigning is the people who think kids are being kicked out of school. Most of the time medical redshirts (who maintain their scholarships) are the ones who make room for oversigning. Other kids transfer to other schools (for a full ride). Kids are not losing their scholarships to make room.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 1:01 pm to FleshEatingSalsa
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FleshEatingSalsa
The only way you can sign 25 and enroll all of them is if you have 25 Seniors/Juniors leave. Otherwise you would have over the 85 limit. The argument against Saban and some others is how he makes room for the 25.
Signing more than 25 each year is not "oversigning", well it is in dictionary, but not in the Debate definition
Again, I could care less who does it
Posted on 3/2/11 at 2:09 pm to NYCAuburn
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NYCAUBURN
Butthurt.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 2:23 pm to CrimsonChin
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CrimsonChin
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NYCAUBURN
Butthurt.
Oh yeah, So butt hurt about bama football and oversigning. I cant sleep at night because little nicky be snatching up all the recruits.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 2:23 pm to NYCAuburn
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No, people say Saban oversigns because he has more greyshirts than everyone else and more med schollies than everyone else. This is how he gets around the 85 schollies. He enrolls more than the 85 over a 4 year period and has to make room for players one way or another. Yes every year he has only 85(again, not the argument). The argument against Saban is how he makes room for the 85. He actualy even signs kids with them knowing before hand that they will greyshirt. You might want to brush up on the oversigning argument before you defend it.
Yes I know they are one year scholarships, but thats not the point of the argument.
Then if Saban tells those recruits that they will possibly have to greyshirt, then the recruit, with the advice of his family can go to school somewhere else.
Saban and his staff aren't hiding, or keeping the truth for HS players or their families.
It's ultimately up to the player and his family where that kid attends college......
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