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re: Will Mizzou help send a 3rd straight traditional East power out of the Top 25
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:34 pm to roadGator
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:34 pm to roadGator
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Ok, super serious, is the East up or down based on what you know about the SEC East's history for the past 30-40 years or so?
Based on what I know, as a whole, no not really. Because I don't think you can say a group of teams is "down" based on a few weeks of play. And you're asking a Missouri fan this question, our expectations are probably not the same as yours.
Everything is a cycle, right? And every team has good and not-so-good years. In the east, Tennessee is down. But Georgia? A not-so-good season brought on by numerous injuries. They'll still make a decent bowl game, most likely. Florida? Recovering from Meyer still, with a defense-minded coach; they may not be having the season they wanted, but they're still widely regarded as having a great defense, and they're also riddled with injuries. It can be argued that over the past few years, Vanderbilt has been up, and so has South Carolina. Kentucky has never been a football powerhouse. Then you add us to the mix.
Last year was the worst season for us in 10 years, brought on by numerous key injuries and some off-field distractions, combined with playing a bunch of teams we'd never seen before. Did that mean we were "down"? I don't think so, it was circumstance. We are a better program than we showed last year. Now you're seeing a more accurate representation of our team.
So based on what I see, I don't think you can say the division is down based on 7 weeks of play this year. It would have to be that way for 3+ years before I could say the East was down. And by that time, it's likely the West could see a year with some teams having issues like the East has seen this year.
I know, tl;dr. So, no, not down.
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Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:42 pm to semotruman
Everything you typed there leads to the East being down though.
UT down
UG down
UF down
UK down
USC down to a degree with a shot to get back up
Vandy - meh, it's Vandy
MO - up
Only team that is up from last year for sure is MO. To me, that says the East is down.
I know it's hard to go there when you are the one at the top. I get it. Trust me, it's hard for me to go there being toward the bottom.
UT down
UG down
UF down
UK down
USC down to a degree with a shot to get back up
Vandy - meh, it's Vandy
MO - up
Only team that is up from last year for sure is MO. To me, that says the East is down.
I know it's hard to go there when you are the one at the top. I get it. Trust me, it's hard for me to go there being toward the bottom.
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:42 pm to roadGator
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If the crash comes, it'll be hell to pay on here for some of your fans. I won't participate with the ones that "deserve" it and I won't saying a damn thing to the good Mizz fans because I've been impressed so far even with all the "circumstances". Pinks and Co have done really well this year for sure.
The thing is for me, it doesn't matter if they lose every game from here on out. They've already surpassed doing what I thought they'd do. I went into the season preparing for 3-9, figuring 6-6 and figured the best life could ever get would be 9-3. Now, 9-3 is a realistic possibility.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:44 pm to reedus23
You aren't one of the ones that will get hell though. You've handled all this with grace (whatever that means). 
It's the fringe crazies that will take the beating.
Imagine what the Arkies will come with alone.
It's the fringe crazies that will take the beating.
Imagine what the Arkies will come with alone.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:45 pm to CoMoTiger
This will be our hardest matchup of the past 3 weeks. I'm hopeful but humble and can see it playing out any number of ways. The national media builds you up to tear you down, and although the publicity is good, we are in that spot right now.
I know what this board will look like if we lose and what the national storylines will look like if we lose, but personally, my main focus is on Tennessee and Kentucky and then trying to win at least one game out of the SC/Ole Miss/A&M trio on our remaning schedule. That would be finishing the regular season with a 10-2 record which rocks very, very hard for a Mizzou fan and anything beyond that is pure gravy.
Hell anything beyond 9-3 is pure gravy frankly, but I think/hope its reasonable for me to want us to win at least 1 of the 3 game trio I mention. Mostly though I just don't want to fall flat vs UT or UK, those are not by any means going to be given to us, still gotta go take em.
I know what this board will look like if we lose and what the national storylines will look like if we lose, but personally, my main focus is on Tennessee and Kentucky and then trying to win at least one game out of the SC/Ole Miss/A&M trio on our remaning schedule. That would be finishing the regular season with a 10-2 record which rocks very, very hard for a Mizzou fan and anything beyond that is pure gravy.
Hell anything beyond 9-3 is pure gravy frankly, but I think/hope its reasonable for me to want us to win at least 1 of the 3 game trio I mention. Mostly though I just don't want to fall flat vs UT or UK, those are not by any means going to be given to us, still gotta go take em.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:45 pm to CoMoTiger
Mizzou will lose to Ole Miss.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:46 pm to roadGator
So you're saying you're going to finish 4th in a down East? I might keep that a secret.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:49 pm to the808bass
Mizzou is definitely the tallest midget as of now. Congrats guys. 
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:50 pm to roadGator
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Only team that is up from last year for sure is MO. To me, that says the East is down.
I guess that to me, being "down" is a trend that's more than a few weeks, or even a season. Being down is more than a single season, it's like 3+. So from that standpoint, you can say Tennessee is down, and maybe Florida to an extent. But not the rest. If Missouri had another shitty season this year, and you've got a 2 season trend going on, then maybe you could have said we were down. I just think it's longer than a few weeks.
Oh, and ATX? Yes. Exactly.
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:52 pm to the808bass
Yes, the East is so far down we are in jeopardy of finishing anywhere from 4th to 1st.
I will say the same thing if UG or UF or USC wins the East. The East is down. Everyone knows it but some of you Tigers. Like I said, I understand the reluctance to see that.
Let's do this, winning the East is great. You get stuff. However, winning the East and then the SEC is forking awesome when the other "typically good" teams are really good.
I'm sure Missouri will experience both scenarios in the future. Then you'll see what I mean.
No one is saying you should feel ashamed for doing well. We just recognize the circustances of the East. It's all part of the gig. We've been accused of backing into the championship game. UG has been accused of backing in too. It's a similar thing. You'd rather beat up everyone while everyone is really good.
This isn't about Mizzou. The same would apply for UK, Vandy and UT (dig at UT).
I will say the same thing if UG or UF or USC wins the East. The East is down. Everyone knows it but some of you Tigers. Like I said, I understand the reluctance to see that.
Let's do this, winning the East is great. You get stuff. However, winning the East and then the SEC is forking awesome when the other "typically good" teams are really good.
I'm sure Missouri will experience both scenarios in the future. Then you'll see what I mean.
No one is saying you should feel ashamed for doing well. We just recognize the circustances of the East. It's all part of the gig. We've been accused of backing into the championship game. UG has been accused of backing in too. It's a similar thing. You'd rather beat up everyone while everyone is really good.
This isn't about Mizzou. The same would apply for UK, Vandy and UT (dig at UT).
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:53 pm to roadGator
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Only team that is up from last year for sure is MO.
In fairness, the only place we could from last year was up. Anybody can climb out of the basement.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:53 pm to roadGator
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Ok, super serious, is the East up or down based on what you know about the SEC East's history for the past 30-40 years or so?
While traditional East power Tennessee has been down I wouldn't sleep on them now. UGA is hurt but still dangerous. USCe can still frick you up. Florida is down but still dangerous. Vanderbilt is down from last year but still can hurt you on a given Saturday. Kentucky is -- uh -- Kentucky. Mizzou is playing good ball and if they can stave off further injuries they have a decent shot to win the East.
Some of the traditional East powers are down a bit but from top to nearly the bottom it's still no cakewalk and will take a good team to win
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:53 pm to roadGator
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Ok, super serious, is the East up or down based on what you know about the SEC East's history for the past 30-40 years or so?
Road, you should know the answer to this already. You've spent enough time on phag.net that I'm sure they educated you that Mizzou isn't good and we only beat Vandy, UGA and UF because they all suck. So yes, since apparently those 3 east teams that we play suck, the east must be down.
The reality is that due to injuries, it may be down for a couple/few weeks here in the middle of the season but SC, UGA and UF (and I'll include MU) can play with or beat nearly anyone when healthy.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:53 pm to semotruman
The SEC is year to year. What have you done for me lately. That's why UF and UG get antsy after one down year.
UG is for sure down based on injuries alone and well, that terrible defense that we will make look like the 85 bears.
UG is for sure down based on injuries alone and well, that terrible defense that we will make look like the 85 bears.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:56 pm to reedus23
I've spent less than 5 minutes of my life with the good pholks at phognet phor real.
I guess we have different definitions of "down".
I think UG fans would agree with me.
It's not one week injuries for UF and UG though. Many of them are season ending.
The East is down by our definitions. You guys can define it how you want. I'm game.
I guess we have different definitions of "down".
I think UG fans would agree with me.
It's not one week injuries for UF and UG though. Many of them are season ending.
The East is down by our definitions. You guys can define it how you want. I'm game.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:57 pm to nlatigerfan
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it's still no cakewalk and will take a good team to win
Agreed. MO is a good team. I've said this.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:58 pm to Landmass
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Mizzou will lose to Ole Miss.
With as much respect as I can muster for a definitive, six word, no gray area given sentence like that, I'd say its too early to know what to think of that game yet. Will Mizzou's James Franklin be back at QB yet, and if so will he or Mauk be producing better? Which of Ole Miss' littany of injured players will be back? Does Mizzou bring a better blend of offense/defense to the table than Texas and LSU did with the result being giving Ole Miss problems? Did Ole Miss collectively turn another corner and take another step toward upper echelon status by beating an LSU team we later find out really is a very good team still? I wouldn't come close to predicting anything about that game right now.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 5:00 pm to roadGator
The East is just doing its best Big 12 North Division impersonation to really try to make us feel welcome, per a memo from Slive. Once we've done that it can go back to its regularly scheduled healthy national championship/BCS contender producing status.
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 5:01 pm to Bogie00
traditional power?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 5:01 pm to roadGator
OK, but I don't think Georgia or Florida started the year down. And they're only down because of injuries - they're still loaded with talented players, just inexperienced.
But again, different perspective. We've heard nothing but that we can't be good in the SEC for many reasons. Including that we don't recruit the same level of talent. Among the many things I'm proud of this season with our team, one is that our lower-ranked recruiting classes are proving they can play with anyone. We also heard we were too small, not deep enough, and just generally not good enough for the SEC last year. Might not have been as apparent to non-Mizzou fans, but we were flat abused last year on this board. That's why some of our posters (and the noobs) are a little chippy right now.
But again, different perspective. We've heard nothing but that we can't be good in the SEC for many reasons. Including that we don't recruit the same level of talent. Among the many things I'm proud of this season with our team, one is that our lower-ranked recruiting classes are proving they can play with anyone. We also heard we were too small, not deep enough, and just generally not good enough for the SEC last year. Might not have been as apparent to non-Mizzou fans, but we were flat abused last year on this board. That's why some of our posters (and the noobs) are a little chippy right now.
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