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re: Will Georgia go down the road Tennessee went after Fulmer
Posted on 8/16/16 at 8:01 am to AU24
Posted on 8/16/16 at 8:01 am to AU24
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And Saban has had 1 McCarron. The rest were just average 1 or 2 year players
That's right. Blake Sims was a very average substitute utility player and Kiffin developed him in one year, won the SEC, and played in the 4 team national playoffs. Coker was another career substitute, not a starter as Malzahn has had to sign from junior colleges. Kiffin developed this career backup to another SEC title and a national title.
Thanks for the help.
edit: Oh yeah, and McElroy was another average player that McElwain developed into a national title winning QB.
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 8:04 am
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Posted on 8/16/16 at 8:05 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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And Malzahn has never had a consistent QB that didn't come from another program. He's never developed one of his own.
This is true, and I've seen this a lot. However, you have to give him credit. he took what most programs felt was a DB, and saw that Marshall would fit his offense. Now, granted, in the long run, it would have been better for Marshall to be at DB, as far as his NFL prospects go. BUT, Marshall insisted he want to play QB in college, and Malzahn saw that he would be a good fit.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 8:13 am to ohiovol
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Tennessee ahould have fired Fuler after 2005
Maybe
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Like Florida, LSU, Alabama, and Auburn would have done.
Uh... where do you get this idea? I don't think it's based in fact, that's for sure. UF kept Muschamp around for an extra year after going 4-8 and losing to GA SOUTHERN. Bama and LSU also have kept coaches through multiple disappointing seasons with losing records.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 8:24 am to rockytop627
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Possibly to some extent, but I highly doubt UGA or any other big SEC team hires a HC as shitty as Dooley for a looooong time.
This guy gets it.
On a side note, we've only got 18 more days to start getting an idea about how good or bad a move firing Richt was (it was good).
Posted on 8/16/16 at 8:30 am to AU24
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Will Georgia go down the road Tennessee went after Fulmer
No, for reasons that have already been mentioned.
The simple act of firing fulmer wasn't that big a deal. The big problem was they brought in a guy that went barely above .500...then he bolted overnight. They were left scrambling, and then hired a clown from a lower conference that put them even MORE in a hole. By the time butch got there he was having to overcome 4 years worth of shite just to break up to surface level. Not to mention that fulmer was BAD in his last season.
Georgia hasn't been BAD since 2010. Our talent right now is light years better than what tennessee as left with. And I'm preeeeeeetty positive that Kirby isn't going to bolt for another job after the 2016 season. We have a lot more momentum and lot more natural advantages that UT simply didn't have post 2008 season.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 8:31 am to S1C EM
I've lived in Georgia most of my life so, though I'm a Bammmer, most of my friends and even some of my family are UGA fans. Most of them seem to think it was a good choice to let Richt go. I hope they are right because it's actually to Alabama's benefit that UGA be strong in their division, since UA and UGA recruit and compete against common enemies at Tennessee and Auburn.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 8:35 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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He's never developed one of his own.
Hell, it doesn't seem like he can recruit one that didn't come from another program that fits his system. The other QBs on the roster that didn't come from another program seem to be square pegs to his round hole needs... it's baffling really.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 8:40 am to fibonaccisquared
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it's baffling really.
It SEEMS as if he can spot the player that fits his offense as evidenced by Cam and Marshall. But he just can't seem to recruit one. At least so far.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 8:41 am to WG_Dawg
I don't think Kiffin was a bad hire, he injected some energy into the program and who knows what would've happened if he had been there longer. But his departure obviously negatively affected us in a huge way. But you have to separate them IMO because Dooley was a terrible hire whereas Kiffin had some potential he just went and fricked us.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 8:51 am to VFL1800FPD
Right you had one guy who had promise but just left you high and dry and scramibling, followed by a guy who was simply awful.
It's almost certain that UGA won't find themselves in a similar position.
I'm not saying we're going to win it all next year or anything, but there really isn't a comparison between us now and UT in 09/10ish, IMO.
It's almost certain that UGA won't find themselves in a similar position.
I'm not saying we're going to win it all next year or anything, but there really isn't a comparison between us now and UT in 09/10ish, IMO.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:05 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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McCarron
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Blake Sims
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Coker
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McElroy
If these guys were developed like you say why is 1 as NFL backup 1 a 3rd string NFL backup and the other 2 out of football
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 9:06 am
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:11 am to VFL1800FPD
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I don't think Kiffin was a bad hire
When you consider who we turned down to get him, it was an abysmal hire.
Can you imagine what Patterson could do with an SEC school's resources?
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:13 am to Vols&Shaft83
Tennessee's problem after the Fulmer firing was the Larry Bird lookalike.
100% on him.
100% on him.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:17 am to TT9
Are you referring to Hamilton?
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:20 am to Vols&Shaft83
Yes
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:24 am to AU24
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McCarron
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Blake Sims
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Coker
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McElroy
If these guys were developed like you say why is 1 as NFL backup 1 a 3rd string NFL backup and the other 2 out of football
They were developed into title winning college quarterbacks. Nobody ever said they were professional caliber players. I doubt Coker will be either. McCarron may or may not be longterm NFL .
You're trying to spin the issue that Malzahn has never recruited a high school quarterback and then developed him into a SEC championship type of player.
You started a troll thread about UGA, then when it was fairly noted to you that Auburn hasn't been consistent, you indicate that is due to inconsistent quarterbacks. Why have you not had consistent quarterbacks? The only quarterbacks that won titles at Auburn were transfers. That's the issue. That was the discussion, but by all means, try to spin away from it if you can, because you sure can't debate away the facts.
This post was edited on 8/16/16 at 9:26 am
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:30 am to TT9
Hamilton basically guaranteed we'd have to pay Fulmer for 6 years after we fired him, made sure we paid Monte Kiffin an extra $1 Million retention bonus because he stayed 3 days longer than Lane, made sure Dooley got an extension just before he was fired.
Johnny Majors said he wishes that he could have worked for Hamilton, because Hamilton paid EVERYONE.
Johnny Majors said he wishes that he could have worked for Hamilton, because Hamilton paid EVERYONE.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:44 am to Vols&Shaft83
Firing Fulmer was not the proble. It was hiring hamilton.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:47 am to lewis and herschel
Absolutely.
He had Patterson, signed, sealed, delivered. GARY PATTERSON FOR frick'S SAKE, and he then told him to frick off so he could hire Kiffin.
He had Patterson, signed, sealed, delivered. GARY PATTERSON FOR frick'S SAKE, and he then told him to frick off so he could hire Kiffin.
Posted on 8/16/16 at 9:48 am to TheDeathValley
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When he was fired, he was no longer a "consistent winner" why don't people get that....
Richt's last 8 years... 74 wins, 2 SECE's, no SECC's, 1 losing season, 5 ten win seasons, 28-11 in last 3 seasons...
Fulmers last 8 years... 71 wins, 2 SECE's, no SECC's, 2 losing seasons, 4 ten win seasons, 24-15 in last 3 seasons...
Not a lotta difference between the 2 after their early career successes...
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