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re: Will Alabama continue to fight against the 9 game schedule?

Posted on 3/10/24 at 5:26 pm to
Posted by one and all
Member since Feb 2012
1189 posts
Posted on 3/10/24 at 5:26 pm to
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a 16 team SEC is Auburn really a top tier program?

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Sorry, in what universe is Auburn “big 6”? They suck and have sucked for quite some time.

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Yep starting next year Auburn is maybe even a bottom half football school.


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Again, “big 6” is not really a thing anymore going forward.


in the last 15yrs Auburn & lsu are tied with EXACTLY:

same number of national championships (1each)

and

same number of championship game appearances (2each)


Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22732 posts
Posted on 3/10/24 at 6:07 pm to
I hope so.

You guys who want 9 game schedules don't understand basic math and why it's bad for the league as a whole.
Posted by borotiger
Murfreesboro Tennessee
Member since Jan 2004
10545 posts
Posted on 3/10/24 at 6:17 pm to
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What do you call LSU, Auburn, and Tennessee?


I could call it a lot of things but "only".
Posted by VOLcanic
Member since May 2009
207 posts
Posted on 3/10/24 at 6:53 pm to
I hope they keep fighting it cause the 9 game schedule is a bad idea long term for the conference
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7302 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:35 pm to
Then what is your solution?
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7302 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:38 pm to
Then what is your solution?
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7302 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:40 pm to
Good luck telling Georgia, Florida, SC, & Kentucky they only have 1 free slot for anybody.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14240 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:42 pm to
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Will Alabama continue to fight against the 9 game schedule?


SEC schools against a 9-game conference schedule.

Nine of the 14 current SEC teams voted against the nine-game schedule, including the following:

Alabama

Tennessee

Vanderbilt

Kentucky

Auburn

Arkansas

Mississippi State

Ole Miss

South Carolina
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4269 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:44 pm to
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Saban was on record saying he didn’t want to play LSU, Auburn, and Tennessee every year. Wondering if now that he’s gone if Alabama will still not want a hard schedule and hold up what’s best for the league over it.


We'll have a 9 game schedule.

But Bama won't play LSU every year.

Not because of "fear" or anything, but because they don't have the history with LSU that they do with other SEC teams and LSU has other teams (including the newcomers) that have a big interest in playing LSU more regularly more than Bama does (Texas, A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and OU all have more interest than Bama).

Bama has 88 games against LSU. They have 107 vs MSU who I think will be their 3rd team to go along with Auburn and Tennessee.

Heck, they have 73 against UGA and we've been in different divisions for 30 years. 83 vs Vandy.

Pre SEC expansion, Bama's most frequent opponents were Tennessee, Auburn, MSU, Vandy and UGA.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9417 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 2:40 pm to
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We'll have a 9 game schedule.


Not until ESPN pays for it.
Posted by FatDawg
Bedrock
Member since Jul 2018
423 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 3:56 pm to
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Alabama’s been doing it for the past 30 years, too.

The difference would now be that it appears Alabama would be the only team doing it.



bullchit, Saban only played a schedule if every advantage he could get was got. Fine, good for him. But your defense sounds like double talk at best and cowardice at worst.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22732 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:12 pm to
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Then what is your solution?


To conference scheduling in general?

8 game schedule, keep 2 or 3 permanent rival games and rotate the rest.

But adding more games to the conference will just make the conference weaker. That's just a matter of math because all conference games equal out to .500 records. So as a conference if you played only conference games, your record no matter what will be .500. It's when the teams go out and beat the crap out of other conferences that you get records above .500, and the more conference games you have, the less you can do that.

You're just adding 8 extra losses minimum to the conferences overall record. And that will have an effect on things when it comes to rankings. Especially when they are kind of stupid and pay attention to record before everything else.

9 games is bad.


Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4269 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:19 pm to
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Not until ESPN pays for it.


Of course. I didn't put a date on it. Eventually ESPN will pay for more frequent UGA/Texas, Bama/OU, LSU/Florida, Tennessee/A&M games and the like. And to still keep matchups like UGA/Auburn and Tennessee/Bama which will have to go away as a yearly matchup under the 8 game schedule.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7302 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:21 pm to
So what 2 "upper 1/2" shools is Alabama gonna play:

Upper 1/2
Alabama (can't play themselves)
Auburn (will still play IB)
Florida
Georgia
LSU (doesn't want to play)
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M


Lower 1/2 (Alabama will play 1)
Arkansas
Kentucky
Miss.
MSU
Mizz.
SC
Tennessee (will still play TSIO)
Vandy
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 4:29 pm
Posted by Lucado
Member since Nov 2023
2619 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:23 pm to
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Kelly has consistently advocated for a 9 game schedule.



All 2 years he's been in the league? Oh wow.


WTF does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4269 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:24 pm to
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But adding more games to the conference will just make the conference weaker.


No, it will make the records slightly worse. It won't make the conference weaker. Given that the only conference other than the SEC that matters will be playing 9 games, it really has little to no negative impact on the SEC.

The only negative impact would be on borderline bowl teams missing bad bowls.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 4:25 pm
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4269 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:30 pm to
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So what 2 "upper 1/2" shools is Alabama gonna play:


Sorry, but Tennessee is better than A&M. You need to flip those two even though both are borderline cases. While 1998 is a long time ago, 1939 is a lot longer in the past.

Bama would play Auburn, Tennessee and MSU. Tenn and MSU are teams they've got more than 100 games played against, while Auburn is the in-state rival.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7302 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:31 pm to
Isn't the SEC going to expand again?
You CAN'T stay at 8 games (unless you shrink conferences; but nobody seems to be for MORE conferences).
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4269 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:38 pm to
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Isn't the SEC going to expand again?


I doubt it.

It is all about the money. Eventually ESPN will give more money per team to get more frequent matchups between bigger name teams.

But there is only one team not in the Big 10 or SEC that ESPN would increase payouts to the SEC for. That would be Notre Dame.

FSU and Clemson have good football programs. But they aren't blue bloods like Texas, OU and Notre Dame are. They don't bring enough money to get SEC teams more money, so the SEC won't expand.

If something changes and ESPN offers more money if the SEC adds particular teams, we'll do it. But I don't see that happening unless ND joins.

The only change I see that could cause the SEC to benefit from expansion is if they no longer have a contract with ESPN and form their own network like the Big 10. In that scenario, they may need content to fill air time, in which case expansion might have value. But I don't think that ESPN is going to pay more for more teams that don't carry fan interest even when the team isn't that good. And like I said, the only team who does that is Notre Dame. Nobody cares abut FSU or Clemson when they're 8-4.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
7302 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 4:45 pm to
I understand your point.

BUT

the only way to achieve your idea is to have SMALLER conferences. The catch is, smaller conferences means MORE CONFERENCES. & from what I've seen/read, NOBODY is in favor of that.
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