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re: Why Ole Miss had to replace Col Reb (long)
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:02 pm to Toddy
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:02 pm to Toddy
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Well, then if we're going to move on, we've got to change everything.
I have football programs from the 1950's that clearly state the term "Ole Miss' was derived from an antebellum term that slaves used to refer to the mistress of the plantation ('the "ole Miss"). It was used to denote a genteel Southern lady. The university didn't start using the "Ole Miss was the name suggested by Miss Elma Meek of Oxford to name the yearbook in 1897" spiel until the 1970's.
It has to go as well, because it's just as offensive (if not more so) than Colonel Reb. Don't you agree this should be the next project for the Chancellor? Or, maybe you and DC Rebel can tell me how this is different?
I've already told UM Rebel that I'll still support the school even if "Ole Miss" gets taken away. Ole Miss is a nickname for the school. I had a nickname once too. I don't go by it now and I'm still the same person.
Oh....and until the Meeks and all their money were okay with ditching Col. Rebel as well. And they donated a shite ton of money to academics.
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Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:04 pm to pankReb
Thank god we agree about the moving on part, and in all fairness it has to be tough for an established university to change its mascot after what, over a hundred years of having him?? Definitely would be mixed feelings in any fanbase going through that. And now that we are friends, please tell me what a horrible troll means??? like i really did feel offended yet i don't even know what that means, cant be good.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:06 pm to AsphaltFunk
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in all fairness it has to be tough for an established university to change its mascot after what, over a hundred years of having him??
Try about 30....if that.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:07 pm to Toddy
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Right, and Toyota wasn't going to give money to Ole Miss because of Colonel Reb (as you insinuated).
Yet, they build a BILLION dollar plant in a state that has the Confederate Stars and Bars on its STATE FLAG
I simply used them as an example of the mountains of funding Ole Miss has gotten in the past fifteen years or so. I think it's fair to suggest that Ole Miss' attempts at a progressive image has helped secure funds.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:09 pm to pankReb
wow thats it? oh, well i thought for sure that col reb wouldn't have been a recent mascot, thought for sure he has been around awhile. shite, well that is just fricked up then
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:09 pm to pankReb
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Try about 30....if that.
The Colonel Reb logo has been around since the late 1930's. He made his debut in a football publication called "The Rebel Number".
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:09 pm to Toddy
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I have. The MAIN reason that Ole Miss was denied a PBK chapter initially was the size of our library.
Why the hell do you think the J.D. Williams Library was expanded prior to the re-submission to PBK?
So now you're admitting that the Confederate flag had something to do with it? Thanks for the capitulation.
And I very well know that the final piece of the puzzle was the libray being expanded to having at least 1,000,000 volumes. What you were choosing to ignore were Phi Beta Kappa's other stipulations, namely taking the flags out of the stadium and establishing the Honors College.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:12 pm to Toddy
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It has to go as well, because it's just as offensive (if not more so) than Colonel Reb. Don't you agree this should be the next project for the Chancellor? Or, maybe you and DC Rebel can tell me how this is different?
It is different, but the explanation is like, you know, complex and stuff so I'd rather not waste my time with it on here.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:13 pm to Toddy
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The Colonel Reb logo has been around since the late 1930's. He made his debut in a football publication called "The Rebel Number".
But the guy wearing the foam head didn't come out until like the 1970's or something
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:13 pm to DCRebel
There was list of hurdles that Ole Miss had to clear in order to get a PBK chapter. Taking the flags out of the stadium was not on this list. Provide a link to where this was on the list and I'll apologize. 
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:15 pm to AsphaltFunk
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wow thats it? oh, well i thought for sure that col reb wouldn't have been a recent mascot, thought for sure he has been around awhile. shite, well that is just fricked up then
Before Col. Rebel, our mascot was a guy dressed up in a Conf. uniform for at least 40 years before that. (I've seen it on game films dating back to 1930's).
You never see any Pro-Col. Reb "traditions are everything" people say anything about that. That mascot was a "tradition" here for a hell of a lot longer than Col. Rebel was. As a matter of fact, IIRC the tradition was that the student voted Col. Rebel(which we still do every year) was the guy on the sidelines wearing the Conf. uni.
btw....a student voted Col. Rebel isn't the same as the foam-headed guy.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:16 pm to DCRebel
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It is different, but the explanation is like, you know, complex and stuff so I'd rather not waste my time with it on here.
I would love to hear the explanation of how an informal name given the university (more widely known than its formal name) is not more offensive than Colonel Reb.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:16 pm to DCRebel
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The Colonel Reb logo has been around since the late 1930's. He made his debut in a football publication called "The Rebel Number".
But the guy wearing the foam head didn't come out until like the 1970's or something
This is correct.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:21 pm to pankReb
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You never see any Pro-Col. Reb "traditions are everything" people say anything about that. That mascot was a "tradition" here for a hell of a lot longer than Col. Rebel was. As a matter of fact, IIRC the tradition was that the student voted Col. Rebel(which we still do every year) was the guy on the sidelines wearing the Conf. uni.
The guy wearing the confederate uniform on the sidelines was always a Kappa Sig (I'm not really sure why, but the Kappa Sigs had the honor of choosing one of their own for this). This was done away when the Colonel Reb mascot debuted on the sidelines in the early 1980's. There was no reason to have a human and a costumed mascot both on the sidelines.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:21 pm to inelishaitrust
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In 2010, the students voted for Rebel the Black Bear
They were not given the chance to vote for Col Reb. They had the black bear, a land shark, and a body suit with built in muscles called Hotty Toddy. Only something like 17% of the student body bothered to vote because the choices were so bad.
Sedonnah Jamierson, a sophomore from Richmond, Va., said "...everyone still wants the mascot to be Colonel Reb.", "I'm pretty much going with what doesn't look stupid. That helped me make my decision," for Hotty Toddy.
This post was edited on 12/15/10 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:23 pm to Toddy
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The guy wearing the confederate uniform on the sidelines was always a Kappa Sig (I'm not really sure why, but the Kappa Sigs had the honor of choosing one of their own for this). This was done away when the Colonel Reb mascot debuted on the sidelines in the early 1980's. There was no reason to have a human and a costumed mascot both on the sidelines.
Point still stands.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:24 pm to Megadon357
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Only something like 17% of the student body bothered to vote because the choices were so bad.
Only like 17% of the student body votes for anything.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:24 pm to Megadon357
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They were not given the chance to vote for Col Reb. They had the black bear, a land shark, and a body suit with built in muscles called Hotty Toddy. Only something like 17% of the student body bothered to vote because the choices were so bad.
Which is double the average amount of student votes that we usually get for other campus-wide polling.
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:28 pm to pankReb
If you want to see the choices....
This post was edited on 12/15/10 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 12/15/10 at 2:28 pm to pankReb
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