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Why is over signing bad again?
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:20 am
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:20 am
As long as the the following things are true, there are ZERO problems w/ over signing IMHO.
1) Coach doesn't make any promises to these kids about starting.
2) Coach tells them that they have to earn their spot on the team & their scholarship EVERY year.
3) The choice is left up to the kid to commit.
Fact is all 3 of the above are true at Alabama... these kids have a choice, and these kids know what kind of competition they are going up against at the position in which they are competing for. If they wanted to start on day 1, go to Kentucky or Vandy. These kids want to start on a championship caliber team, so they are willing to take the chance at Alabama, and compete w/ other talented players for their position. If these kids do not make it at BAMA, I'm sure they could pick up another scholly at another school... it's not like these kids are kicked into the streets.
You can probably insert LSU, UF, and some other top programs in there as well.. this doesn't just apply to BAMA.
1) Coach doesn't make any promises to these kids about starting.
2) Coach tells them that they have to earn their spot on the team & their scholarship EVERY year.
3) The choice is left up to the kid to commit.
Fact is all 3 of the above are true at Alabama... these kids have a choice, and these kids know what kind of competition they are going up against at the position in which they are competing for. If they wanted to start on day 1, go to Kentucky or Vandy. These kids want to start on a championship caliber team, so they are willing to take the chance at Alabama, and compete w/ other talented players for their position. If these kids do not make it at BAMA, I'm sure they could pick up another scholly at another school... it's not like these kids are kicked into the streets.
You can probably insert LSU, UF, and some other top programs in there as well.. this doesn't just apply to BAMA.
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Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:23 am to RollTideATL
TiM's head just exploded.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:25 am to RollTideATL
trees
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:26 am to RollTideATL
The uproar mainly comes from Big 10 fans. After what happened on new years day, they had to find something to blame their epic failures on.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:26 am to RollTideATL
the thing that drives me crazy is that people act like a kid had absolutely no clue that he might grayshirt. Saban tells them all upfront. You don't hear the kids complain about it, just the fans from other teams.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:27 am to RollTideATL
I dont have a prob with oversigning. Survival of the fittest muthafrickas. These kids need to realize that when they sign a LOI they arent getting a promise about playing time....you gotta earn it.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:27 am to RollTideATL
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Why is oversigning bad again?
Why did you think we needed another thread to rehash this same old topic?
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:29 am to RollTideATL
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Kentucky
Just so yo know...freshmen very rarely start at UK, except at RB.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:29 am to RollTideATL
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You can probably insert LSU, UF, and some other top programs in there as well..
Actually, we don't all need to over sign. UF doesn't over sign, I know that to be true. I'm pretty sure LSU doesn't either.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:31 am to attheua
You should have heard the Jack Arute/Mike Leach show a couple of days ago. Jack Arute tried to stir the pot by bringing up Mark Richt's comments about oversigning/grayshirting. Mike Leach basically preceded to stick a pin in the proverbial balloon of all grayshirting critics by explaining the process better than I've heard it explained by anyone. He basically said that grayshirting critics were clueless about how it works and went as far as saying that grayshirting in almost all cases BENEFITS the student athlete. He said the only exception were can't miss stud recruits that you know will start from day one. Leach very articulately s### all over the notion that grayshirting takes advantage of student athletes.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:33 am to Govt Tide
Leach is a crazy pirate though.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:36 am to Govt Tide
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You should have heard the Jack Arute/Mike Leach show a couple of days ago. Jack Arute tried to stir the pot by bringing up Mark Richt's comments about oversigning/grayshirting. Mike Leach basically preceded to stick a pin in the proverbial balloon of all grayshirting critics by explaining the process better than I've heard it explained by anyone. He basically said that grayshirting critics were clueless about how it works and went as far as saying that grayshirting in almost all cases BENEFITS the student athlete. He said the only exception were can't miss stud recruits that you know will start from day one. Leach very articulately s### all over the notion that grayshirting takes advantage of student athletes
Thanks for sharing that. I love when I get to listen to that show, Leach is a damn riot.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:36 am to RollTideATL
If it isn't wrong and it bothers none of you, why keep rehashing it over and over? To convince yourselves?
I don't really care about it but find it hilarious the number of times it's brought up.
I don't really care about it but find it hilarious the number of times it's brought up.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:37 am to RollTideATL
I heard somewhere that The Bear used to recruit all the best players, then cut some so that other teams couldn't have them.. That's partially what oversigning is, IMO. Bama has players like Corey Grant, Jerrell Harris, Petey Smith, etc.. That would start at a lot of other SEC schools. A bunch of them that have been getting cut would also either contribute for another team, or possibly even start...
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:37 am to gatordmb89
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Actually, we don't all need to over sign. UF doesn't over sign, I know that to be true. I'm pretty sure LSU doesn't either
I'm pretty sure LSU has before. I don't see a huge problem with it as long as a grayshirt candidate is informed ahead of time. For example, a coach signs 28 recruits with the idea that 4 or 5 may not qualify academically. If those players do qualify then the players informed they may have to grayshirt knew their situation all along. You also have those grayshirts that know they want to play at one school and one school only and they gladly grayshirt knowing they otherwise would never have a decent shot of being on their favorite team.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:37 am to RollTideATL
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Why is over signing bad again?
Because Mark said so. Consider yourself Richt Rolled.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:37 am to RollTideATL
Is there a reason you all-caps Bama?
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:39 am to Govt Tide
Yeah. I know how recruiting works, and I also know that just because you sign a class of 28, it doesn't mean you have over signed. Because some guys can be counted back towards the year before, unless of course, you over signed that year as well.
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:39 am to RollTideATL
It is none of your business, aight?
Posted on 5/18/11 at 11:39 am to TTsTowel
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heard somewhere that The Bear used to recruit all the best players, then cut some so that other teams couldn't have them..
He and Vaught used to almost "trade" recruits. If one team was stocked at a position, Vaught or Bear would send him to the other. Pretty interesting stuff.
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