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re: Why is Mississippi State mostly left out of Cam Newton discussions?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:23 pm to MrAUTigers
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:23 pm to MrAUTigers
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I have seen many Auburn fans state that a former State player asked for money for Cam to come there.
It was Cam's Dad who was found to have asked for money. That's even in Auburns investigations with the NCAA. You can't deny that.
LINK
Edit: Apparently, you frickers don't know how to read.
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 11:24 pm
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Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:24 pm to MrAUTigers
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I have never seen one Auburn fan say that boosters offered money. I have seen many Auburn fans state that a former State player asked for money for Cam to come there.
You didn't read the very thread you are replying to?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:24 pm to MaroonNation
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The NCAA has been investigating a claim that Kenny Rogers, purportedly acting on behalf of Cam Newton, offered him to Mississippi State for $180,000. Rogers claimed to former MSU quarterback John Bond he had offers for $200,000 from other schools.
You have never bartered for anything apparently. The NCAA investigated it. The IRS, THE FEDS, got involved. The NCAA found that Rogers was involved with Cam's recruitment to MSU, not any other school. Rogers was the only person "scamming" anybody. Use a little common sense. Who in their right mind is going to pay six figures for a JUCO player?
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:27 pm to sharpSee
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It was Cam's Dad who was found to have asked for money. That's even in Auburns investigations with the NCAA. You can't deny that.
You should really read the link you provided..... quote:
The documents offered some insight into Rogers' dealings with Mississippi State representatives John Bond and Bill Bell.
Bond indicated that Rogers, who operated Elite Football Preparation for prospective college athletics, told him he was just trying to get Newton to play for his former school and they "just had to make it happen." Bell also told the NCAA Rogers didn't give him any indication that Newton knew about the efforts to collect money.
and here is the kicker.......
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"There is no information suggesting that Rogers had similar discussions about a cash inducement with any other institution, either directly or indirectly," one joint Auburn and NCAA document stated.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:29 pm to sharpSee
quote:It doesn't matter who came up with the idea. State's people were the ones trying to work the deal out. Not anyone at Auburn.
Edit: Apparently, you frickers don't know how to read.
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:31 pm to Rabern57
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It doesn't matter who came up with the idea. State's people were the ones trying to work the deal out. Not anyone at Auburn.
We were "trying to work out an idea" that we turned in to the NCAA?
RIGHTTTTTT
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:33 pm to engie
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We were "trying to work out an idea" that we turned in to the NCAA?
State turned it into the SEC office.....................three weeks after Cam signed with Auburn. That was in late January. That was some nine weeks after a considerable amount of cash was asked for Cam to play for them. I have a feeling if Cam had signed with State, State would not have said a word about this to the SEC. That's just a hunch.
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:37 pm to engie
It was more of your coach and his buddy (UM) going after Cam and Auburn and they didn't care what happened. They also knew they could just throw the middle men under the bus, which is why they have them, without anything falling on them.
Either way it was still all going on with State's people not Auburn's. They were the ones that were outted as the ones trying to cheat. No one from Auburn ever was. That means state should have been the one talked about as cheating.
Either way it was still all going on with State's people not Auburn's. They were the ones that were outted as the ones trying to cheat. No one from Auburn ever was. That means state should have been the one talked about as cheating.
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 11/5/14 at 1:15 am to weagle99
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Posted on 11/5/14 at 2:17 am to sharpSee
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Edit: Apparently, you frickers don't know how to read.
Apparently you can't either.
The link pretty much shows Rogers and Newton's dad sought payment from MSU boosters.
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The documents indicate Newton's father, Cecil Newton, and ex-Mississippi State player Kenny Rogers sought from $120,000 to $180,000 for the quarterback to sign with the Bulldogs out of junior college but didn't ask any other school for money.
The two seemed to communicate quite a bit through text concerning MSU.
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The documents said Cecil Newton's phone records indicate that he and Rogers exchanged some 275 calls or text messages between March 2009 and January 2010, with "the vast majority of these related to MSU's recruitment of Newton." Only about 15 came after Newton signed with Auburn on Dec. 31, 2009.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:15 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Why is this still an issue? The facts are Cam's dad was paid off for his son to go to Auburn. He doesn't even deny it. The findings are complete. End of story. So lets drag Msu into the mud to save ourselves from looking the only dirty party?
Still feeling guilty, Auburn fans can't let go because the whole world knows what happened. Missery likes company. Recruited by Msu is all you got, but signed by Auburn for money is a fact. What kills you Auburn fans is MSU raping you with 2 and 3 star players vs your cheating 5 star recruits. Yeah, Msu sure looks dirty recruiting you morons
Still feeling guilty, Auburn fans can't let go because the whole world knows what happened. Missery likes company. Recruited by Msu is all you got, but signed by Auburn for money is a fact. What kills you Auburn fans is MSU raping you with 2 and 3 star players vs your cheating 5 star recruits. Yeah, Msu sure looks dirty recruiting you morons
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:45 am to MullenBoys
The issue is that nothing was ever tied to Auburn other than Cam signing there. All that was proven was that state's people offered money to his dad and that caused people to assume Auburn cheated because State tried to. Then State slid by simply because no one cared enough to push the NCAA to go after them.
The fact they made a rule so that someone else can't try to get money off you and you still play shows they know state and his dad were talking money. Otherwise they wouldn't have made the rule.
Yeah you won the game. Enjoy your 5 seconds of fame before you end up being irrelevant again.
The fact they made a rule so that someone else can't try to get money off you and you still play shows they know state and his dad were talking money. Otherwise they wouldn't have made the rule.
Yeah you won the game. Enjoy your 5 seconds of fame before you end up being irrelevant again.
This post was edited on 11/5/14 at 4:33 am
Posted on 11/5/14 at 4:14 am to MullenBoys
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The facts are Cam's dad was paid off for his son to go to Auburn. He doesn't even deny it. The findings are complete.
Thats a shiny hook you just pulled out of your arse, bud.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 5:36 am to saltybulldog
quote:State cant win even when they do cheat. They have been on probation 5 or 6 times themselves and have a whopping 1 conference championship to show for it. This is why nobody cares about anything they do
and no one outside your fan base takes anything Auburn does seriously because you cheat to win.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 5:45 am to auburnphan23
Sure beat Auburn; but nobody cares about anything we do.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 6:05 am to auburnphan23
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Moo State is really a bastion of morality. Keep recruiting Cam even after his dad ask for money and only turn it in after he signs with Auburn. Of course, I realize that teams that win like Auburn will always receive more scrutiny than teams that don't like State. You might be #1 today, but nobody outside your own fan base thinks your success is going to last
The world needs more people with a giant case of the red arse.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 6:18 am to DakForHe15man
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Screw Cam and screw his daddy harder. If Cam was a man of his word & came to State without seeking $$$$ then this would be our 2nd National Championship run within 5 years.
Don't be so sure. After the deal fell through at MSU, Cecil got worried about the NCAA and Cam potentially getting in trouble or having to sit. Then he compared the offensive lines of MSU and AU. Cecil actually saw AU as the program where Cam would shine. Chizik was not that convinced at first.
Cecil may be a scumbag, but he knew which way the wind was blowing and wanted no part MSU after being turned down. Why would he go into the same situation at AU or any other school, knowing the NCAA would be watching after MSU (supposedly) turned in all the information? No way he was soliciting money anywhere else if the NCAA was already privy to the information. Cecil saw NFL money and did what he needed to do to get Cam in the right situation. It eventually worked for him, but he lost his integrity in the process.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 6:34 am to weagle99
ALL-IN AU
No one but Auburn fans believe your fans ridiculous accounts of Cam's recruitment and purchase.
No one but Auburn fans believe your fans ridiculous accounts of Cam's recruitment and purchase.
This post was edited on 11/5/14 at 6:35 am
Posted on 11/5/14 at 6:47 am to weagle99
Rent-a-Cam and his Dad took the better offer from AU...and the rest is history.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 6:53 am to WhitewaterDawg
It is great to see the MSU homers dragging out the ATPB's theories. Stating things like "its a fact" and "what we know".
We know that discussion occurred with MSU mostly arranged via an agent/runner Bell. Cam's dad was involved.
All the nonsense about the church getting money, etc…is internet lore with no proof. We do know the NCAA looked at Auburn for 1 1/2 years had according to you nut jobs the FBI involved but found nothing.
For the rest of the world we say, "while impermissible benefits exist on all of our teams" none of the good teams resort to dropping $200,000 on a kid just to sign who most didn't have any knowledge of how good he would become.
ATPB the gift that keeps on giving.
I do love hearing about how Will Redmond is the best DB on the MSU team each game this season. He must have been worth every penny. LINK
So while we have several internet nut jobs throwing accusations which were proven unfounded at Auburn several of which are in this thread. We know for a fact MSU has a system in place to work with boosters, coaches and recruits to provide improper benefits to secure recruits signatures.
We know that discussion occurred with MSU mostly arranged via an agent/runner Bell. Cam's dad was involved.
All the nonsense about the church getting money, etc…is internet lore with no proof. We do know the NCAA looked at Auburn for 1 1/2 years had according to you nut jobs the FBI involved but found nothing.
For the rest of the world we say, "while impermissible benefits exist on all of our teams" none of the good teams resort to dropping $200,000 on a kid just to sign who most didn't have any knowledge of how good he would become.
ATPB the gift that keeps on giving.
I do love hearing about how Will Redmond is the best DB on the MSU team each game this season. He must have been worth every penny. LINK
So while we have several internet nut jobs throwing accusations which were proven unfounded at Auburn several of which are in this thread. We know for a fact MSU has a system in place to work with boosters, coaches and recruits to provide improper benefits to secure recruits signatures.
This post was edited on 11/5/14 at 6:55 am
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