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Posted on 7/7/24 at 11:47 am to theballguy
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You deal with should.
I deal with is.
It will not happen.
In 2022, Kansas State and Utah both had 3 losses and were ranked #8 and #9 after week 15...the final week after conference championship games. They both would have made a 12 team playoff.
In 2021 Utah had 3 losses coming out of conference championships and was ranked #11, so under a 12 team playoff rule, they would have made it.
In 2019, Wisconsin has 3 losses after championship weekend and was ranked #8.
In 2017 Auburn finished with 3 losses after conference championship weekend and was ranked #7 and would have gone.
I could go on, but you get the idea. Why do you think they would not go to a 12 team playoff?
Posted on 7/7/24 at 11:50 am to Old1937
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Depend on who the losses are to and scores
I am not as well versed on all of the ins and outs, but I was under the impression that the top 11 teams ranked went and the 12th team came from the highest ranked G5 team. No wriggle room. Is this not the case?
Posted on 7/7/24 at 11:53 am to theballguy
Self delusion
Posted on 7/7/24 at 11:56 am to Old Sarge
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I thought all the conferences were getting an automatic team in?
The P% conference champions get automatic in. There was 5 P5 Conferences, but when the PAC 12 imploded they were dropped as a P5.
A PAC 12 team could still make it if they are ranked high enough.
The top ranked G5 team will get a bid, and then they go by highest ranked teams.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 12:03 pm to Old Sarge
quote:I gotta agree, here we have a Gump making shite up in his head….sad,sad.
Where do you see a lot of people thinking 3 loss teams will get into the playoffs?
But in his defense, he better get used to three loss seasons …they are coming
Posted on 7/7/24 at 12:07 pm to theballguy
In the SEC and Big10 three losses will be better than 50/50 to get you in now. The schedules becoming much harder now will make 9-3 about as likely as 10-2 was before. There could even be a few seasons with 8-4 3rd/4th place SEC teams. It's why they want a 4 team guarantee if they go to 14 teams.
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Posted on 7/7/24 at 12:50 pm to theballguy
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loses 3 and wins a conference
You shat your pants before you even got started.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 1:07 pm to Gator Fever
quote:With divisons going away, I think we will see years where the 65th tie breaker is used to determine who plays for their CCG, and then a team who didn't play in their CCG would look more appealing than a team that took an extra loss playing for their conference title.
In the SEC and Big10 three losses will be better than 50/50 to get you in now. The schedules becoming much harder now will make 9-3 about as likely as 10-2 was before. There could even be a few seasons with 8-4 3rd/4th place SEC teams.
And that's not specific to the SEC. The 2019 B1G season was mentioned earlier in this thread. If there were no divisions, there would have been a 3 way tie for 2nd place in the B1G at the end of the regular season. I'd have rather been sitting at home, confident in my 10-2 record than facing an assured playoff team in the CCG with a high likelihood of not just getting a 3rd loss, but also taking on injuries and wear and tear to my players.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 1:26 pm to theballguy
Unless you're Florida, THIS YEAR SCHEDULE ONLY, going 9-3 is not getting you in.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 2:39 pm to DawgsLife
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In 2021 Utah had 3 losses coming out of conference championships and was ranked #11, so under a 12 team playoff rule, they would have made it.
I actually have been looking at 9-3 tams rather than 10-3 teams who lose their CCG game to get the third loss (or win it to get their 10th win).
10-3 teams will be in it most of the time. 9-3 teams are in a bubble situation. The last time teams would have made it at 9-3 was in 2018. that year three 9-3 teams would have made a 12 team playoff (UF, LSU and PSU)
Posted on 7/7/24 at 2:40 pm to TampaTiger87
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Unless you're Florida, THIS YEAR SCHEDULE ONLY, going 9-3 is not getting you in.
This is too definitive a statement. It honestly depends on how the season plays out. In 2018 3 9-3 teams would have made the playoff, but it just happened to work out that way. 10 wins was a must for every year since (discounting 2020 because that was the covid year)
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:01 pm to DawginSC
A 3 loss team, particularly from the SEC or Big 10, may well get into the playoffs. For the 11th spot who would you pick between 9-3 Florida who played a nightmare schedule or 10-2 Kansas State who might be 1-2 against barely ranked teams?
So much depends on the year and circumstances.
So much depends on the year and circumstances.
This post was edited on 7/7/24 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:08 pm to TampaTiger87
I think it's close to 100% that a 3 loss team from either the SEC or Big10 gets in the playoff this year and that is even if the 3rd loss is pre-conference championship game.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:21 pm to DawginSC
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they will hit 5 teams.
Lol
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:29 pm to UGADawg1988
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A 3 loss team, particularly from the SEC or Big 10, may well get into the playoffs. For the 11th spot who would you pick between 9-3 Florida who played a nightmare schedule or 10-2 Kansas State who might be 1-2 against barely ranked teams?
So much depends on the year and circumstances.
It's not just that scenario (though that's a good one).
It's also looking at how many teams outside the SEC and Big 10 might actually end up at 10-2 or better.
The ACC is unchanged from last year, but they only had FSU at 13-0 and Lousiville at 10-3 who were better than 9-3. And Louisville lost OOC to Kentucky.
The Big 12 and parts of the Pac 12 they absorbed didn't have any teams with 10+ wins. While their champion will have a good record, it's not too hard to imagine them not having more than one other 10-3 or better team like the ACC last year.
Utah and FSU are projected to be the best Big 12 and ACC teams. If you assume they win their conferences, look at some of the other teams from those conferences in the post spring rankings from ESPN.
NC-State? They play Tennessee OOC.
Clemson? They play UGA and SC OOC.
OkSU? They play Arkansas OOC.
Miami? Plays UF.
Louisville? Plays ND and UK.
These are teams that could all finish 2nd or 3rd in their conference (giving losses to their conference opponents) but lose OOC games that put them at 9-3 or worse despite losing just 2 conference games. That's not even including osme of the other teams that could surprise.
What if WVU is at the top of the Big 12 but loses to Pitt and PSU?
What if TCU is strong in conference but loses to Stanford?
What if Iowa State has one of their good years which come up every now and then, but lose to Iowa?
If the SEC and Big 10 teams largely do well against the Big 12 and ACC teams OOC, it will make it much more likely for 9-3 teams from the Big 2 conferences to make it. In part because it will lower the voters view of how good the 10-2 ACC and Big 12 teams are, and in part because there will simply be fewer of them if they pick up OOC losses.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:48 pm to DawginSC
What will cost the SEC and Big 10 is when an ACC or Big 12 team is 12-0 yet lose their conference championship game to a 10-2 or 9-3 team. Then the 12-1 team would very likely get in and the 11-2 or 10-3 conference champion would get in automatically and receive a bye.
Posted on 7/7/24 at 3:54 pm to Old Sarge
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Where do you see a lot of people thinking 3 loss teams will get into the playoffs?
LSU fans!
Posted on 7/7/24 at 4:34 pm to Old Sarge
quote:If the Pac2 has an auto bid then someone is getting screwed out of the playoffs.
I thought all the conferences were getting an automatic team in?
Available spots for high rank three loss teams seem like they will disappear
Posted on 7/7/24 at 5:01 pm to CNB
quote:. Bama fans trolling Gators when they are down
Literally one Florida fan asking about making it in with a 9-3 record with the toughest schedule ever
tDecline is real
This post was edited on 7/7/24 at 9:54 pm
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