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re: Who had the worst coaching tenure in SEC history
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:21 am to Maytheporkbewithyou
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:21 am to Maytheporkbewithyou
Hallman was the worst coach ever at LSU!!!! 
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:34 am to Drebin
Who was the AD in 2007 when Croom was there? I actually went to his home in Starkville, for a wedding party for my nephew's bride. Was really impressed with their palatial home.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:38 am to tarzana
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Who was the AD in 2007 when Croom was there? I actually went to his home in Starkville, for a wedding party for my nephew's bride. Was really impressed with their palatial home.
Larry Templeton was the AD that hired Sylvester Croom. Greg Byrne (now Alabama's AD) was the AD that fired him. Your visit was about the time the two tenures crossed so I'm not sure whose house you went to. Probably Templeton's though. He works in the SEC office currently....probably his compensation for hiring Croom.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:44 am to Drebin
Yea, I'm pretty sure it was Templeton...June of 2007. And Miss St actually had a decent season that year.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 10:35 am to The Winner
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I doubt many coaches beyond Croom wanted to take over a job to work under Templeton following a nuclear bomb being dropped on State by the NCAA.
We told Jimbo Fisher no to hire Croom. Still makes me sick to my stomach. The ineptness of Miss State leadership before Byrne is mind-blowing. We have turned down Steve Spurrier and Jimbo Fisher to hire Rockey Felker and Sylvester Croom. And had it not been for Dr Z stepping in- Templedick would have hired Bobby Wallace over Jackie Sherrill.
Let that sink in
Posted on 7/30/18 at 10:40 am to CoonassBulldog
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We told Jimbo Fisher no to hire Croom
True story.
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We have turned down Steve Spurrier and Jimbo Fisher to hire Rockey Felker and Sylvester Croom.
True story.
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And had it not been for Dr Z stepping in- Templedick would have hired Bobby Wallace over Jackie Sherrill.
True story.
Thank God for Doc Fogelsong, who got rid of Templeton and hired Byrne, who got rid of Croom and Polk II.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 10:41 am to Godawgs4
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No way was Croom on the worst coach list.
bullshite
Croom lost a modern era football game 3-2. Dont get me started on the other thousand things I can add
Posted on 7/30/18 at 10:50 am to Drebin
Not only did Templeton have a chance to hire Fisher but hired Croom, he also had a chance to hire Mainieri but he brought Polk back.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:07 am to CoonassBulldog
But...but...USA Today praised the Miss St hire of Croom. The paper was effusive in its adulation. Shouldn't that count for something?
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:17 am to Somebody2
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Charles Shira at MSU
He was before my time, but he is probably the worst MSU coach, at least total record-wise, with a record of 16-45-2 over 6 seasons with a total of 5 SEC wins. If you take out Felker's 6-1 hot start to the 1986 season, his tenure was the worst. He had only 5 SEC wins in 5 seasons with 2 of those coming in the first 7 games of his tenure.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:28 am to CoonassBulldog
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Bobby Wallace
Was it Wallace or Collins?
I’ve heard that Bobby Collins only chance back in to coaching after the SMU debacle was with State when Sherrill was hired.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:30 am to Leopold
Bobby Wallace. Wallace played at State and that was his pull with Templeton’s dumbass
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:32 am to Bankshot
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He was before my time, but he is probably the worst MSU coach, at least total record-wise, with a record of 16-45-2 over 6 seasons with a total of 5 SEC wins. If you take out Felker's 6-1 hot start to the 1986 season, his tenure was the worst. He had only 5 SEC wins in 5 seasons with 2 of those coming in the first 7 games of his tenure.
I eliminate Shira because that was long before most people gave a shite about football at Mississippi State. It's why I hate the all-time record argument.
Croom surpasses them all because he was here during a time where SEC football was entering the stratosphere from a popularity standpoint. For the better part of his tenure, we weren't even competitive. Sherrill's last two years and Croom's first three were probably the most futile 5 years in State modern football history.
Croom won a bogus coach of the year award after a 7-5 season and a titillating 10-3 win over mighty UCF in the Liberty Bowl where Croom's offensive juggernaut managed 199 yards of total offense. He followed that momentous achievement by losing to Louisiana Tech to start his fifth, and thankfully last season at the helm. Lest we forget, that season also included losses to Kentucky and Georgia Tech, as well as the aforementioned 3-2 loss to Auburn and a 45-0 shellacking at the hands of Ole Miss.
Sylvester Croom was so bad that the guy who followed him is revered as the best coach in our history because he managed to average 7.5 wins per season. That's how low Croom set the bar for our program.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:41 am to Drebin
And what is so bad is that we had fans that wanted Croom to have more time! Seriously, they thought we did Croom wrong when we fired him. Croom only had one offense here average 300 yards per game. That is absolutely pathetic.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:45 am to CoonassBulldog
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We told Jimbo Fisher no to hire Croom. Still makes me sick to my stomach. The ineptness of Miss State leadership before Byrne is mind-blowing. We have turned down Steve Spurrier and Jimbo Fisher to hire Rockey Felker and Sylvester Croom. And had it not been for Dr Z stepping in- Templedick would have hired Bobby Wallace over Jackie Sherrill. Let that sink in
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:08 pm to Leopold
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I’ve heard that Bobby Collins only chance back in to coaching after the SMU debacle was with State when Sherrill was hired.
The finalists for the job back in December 1990 were Sherrill, Danny Ford, Bobby Collins and Bobby Wallace, if my memory is correct. We reached out to Jenkins at Houston (a prior assistant under Bellard), but he wasn't interested.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:21 pm to Drebin
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I eliminate Shira because that was long before most people gave a shite about football at Mississippi State. It's why I hate the all-time record argument.
Everyone has their arguments about who is the worst MSU coach. I have a hard time arguing against Shira, Felker and Croom, to be honest. They all had their shortcomings and had horrible records to show for it. Shira couldn't take advantage of Vaught's retirement from Ole Miss as HC in the early 70's. Felker could recruit apparently, but couldn't win SEC games to save his life. Croom was way too stubborn for his own good and mismanaged the offensive talent we had.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:38 pm to Bankshot
Pat Dye
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:49 pm to Somebody2
Add for Mizzou:
Woody Widenhofer 12-31-1
Bob Stull 15-38-2
"The Bab's Years"
Woody Widenhofer 12-31-1
Bob Stull 15-38-2
"The Bab's Years"
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:16 pm to Somebody2
Greg Schiano. Honorable mention Brady Hoke
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