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re: Which SEC fanbases know and accept their programs place in the conference?
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:39 pm to RB10
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:39 pm to RB10
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Sure, if everything other than direct results between the teams determines who's "closer" to who.
In a "know your place" thread your relative position to other programs is all that matters.
Are you sick today or something? You seem out of it.
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I had a feeling I knew where he was going, and I was right.
Well that is BS because I didn't know what way I was going until you kept moving goalposts.
So far I have proven that:
-historically
-in the last four years overall
-in relation to each other the last four years
the gap between Bama and LSU is bigger than the gap between LSU and A&M.
I can keep going if you feel I haven't proven my point.
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Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:42 pm to cardboardboxer
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the gap between Bama and LSU is bigger than the gap between LSU and A&M.
"LSU vs. Bama: 0-5
LSU vs. aTm: 5-0
Average margin of victory for Bama: 13.4
Average margin of victory for LSU: 12.8
If you want to go from 2012, the margin of victory is even closer. 11.5 for Bama and 11.8 for LSU. "
ETA: Currently, LSU is around 13 points better than aTm. Bama is around 13.5 points better than LSU.
Looks pretty even to me.
This post was edited on 8/22/16 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:44 pm to RB10
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Here's why the gap is almost identical:
LSU vs. Bama: 0-5
LSU vs. aTm: 5-0
Actually in the last four years it's been:
LSU vs Bama 0-5
LSU vs A&M 4-0
Your mental block of the title game must be in place still.
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Average margin of victory for Bama: 13.4
Average margin of victory for LSU: 12.8
So even by that the gap is bigger like I have been saying. I bet it's even worse when you count the game you forgot where LSU scored nothing.
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Like I said, you can keep using everything except the actual results to compare the gaps between the teams if it makes you feel better about aTm being 0-5
That was never my beef. I never claimed A&M fans weren't delusional. I was just saying we have equals in the SEC on that metric.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:46 pm to cardboardboxer
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Actually in the last four years it's been:
LSU vs Bama 0-5
LSU vs A&M 4-0
Your mental block of the title game must be in place still.
That game was part of the 2011 season. If you count it, you count the game in 2010.
Four years would start with the 2012 season.
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So even by that the gap is bigger like I have been saying.
They're within 1 point of each other, which is "almost" identical. Exactly what I said earlier.
This post was edited on 8/22/16 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:48 pm to RB10
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Alabama - Yes
Arkansas - No
Auburn - Yes
Florida - Yes
Georgia - Yes
Kentucky - Yes
LSU - No
Ole Miss - No
Mississippi State - Yes
Missouri - No
South Carolina - Yes
Tennessee - No
Texas AM - No
Vanderbilt - Yes
Absolutely, on all counts. Except for maybe Mizzou.
Hitting the highlights:
Arkansas laughably thinks they're of Big 6 quality. LSU thinks they're nipping at Bama's heels when in reality they're narrowly edging out UF, UGA and Auburn. Ole Miss is just Ole Miss. Tennessee refuses to acknowledge that the conference has left them behind and they'll need to modernize to keep up. A&M rightfully thinks they should be a major program, but denies that they're simply not.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:50 pm to Pettifogger
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Alabama - Yes
Arkansas - No
Auburn - Yes
Florida - Yes
Georgia - Yes
Kentucky - Yes
LSU - No
Ole Miss - No
Mississippi State - Yes
Missouri - No
South Carolina - Yes
Tennessee - No
Texas AM - No
Vanderbilt - Yes
I think is pretty spot on, although outside of the posters on this message board I don't think arkansas thinks over-highly of themselves. That'd be the only one I might change but the rest looks about right.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:51 pm to Pettifogger
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Arkansas laughably thinks they're of Big 6 quality. LSU thinks they're nipping at Bama's heels when in reality they're narrowly edging out UF, UGA and Auburn. Ole Miss is just Ole Miss. Tennessee refuses to acknowledge that the conference has left them behind and they'll need to modernize to keep up. A&M rightfully thinks they should be a major program, but denies that they're simply not.
What about Auburn?
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:52 pm to RB10
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They're within 1 point of each other, which is "almost" identical. Exactly what I said earlier.
On something like averages 1 point can be a big deal.
If I apply my Aggie talent of bending numbers to make me look good (but in place of a LSU fan), there is only one metric I can think of to prove your point- total points:
Total number of points Bama scored vs LSU in 4 seasons - 109
Total number of points LSU scored vs Bama in 4 seasons - 63
Difference? 46 points
Total number of points LSU scored vs A&M in 4 seasons - 100
Total number of points A&M scored vs LSU in 4 seasons - 53
Difference? 47 (or one overall)
Everything else just proves my point.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:54 pm to rockiee
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What about Auburn?
In general (basically, not on the internet) I think AU fans are pretty level headed. They know they always have and always will be second fiddle to bama, and they are about on par with uf/uga/lsu. That's to say...a historically good program with blips of greatness here and there sprinkled with a lot of average as well.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:54 pm to cardboardboxer
So, on the field the gap is just about identical. I may be confused, but I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I've been arguing.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:56 pm to Tigerfan56
This thread is stupid.
If everyone "accepted" their "place" within the conference hierarchy there would be no reason to engage in competition. The games would be mere formalities and would have pre-determined outcomes.
The whole point of football is that everybody wants to be the best and be top dog. May the best team win.
If everyone "accepted" their "place" within the conference hierarchy there would be no reason to engage in competition. The games would be mere formalities and would have pre-determined outcomes.
The whole point of football is that everybody wants to be the best and be top dog. May the best team win.
This post was edited on 8/22/16 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:56 pm to WG_Dawg
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although outside of the posters on this message board I don't think arkansas thinks over-highly of themselves.
Probably still more than we should but this forum should not be a guild line for any fan base really imo
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:57 pm to RB10
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So, on the field the gap is just about identical. I may be confused, but I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I've been arguing.
Overall my argument was LSU fans are just as or more delusional as A&M fans, and I think you agree with me so I will drop it.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:58 pm to RB10
quote:That's what you are discussing here.
How would you measure the difference between LSU-Bama and the difference between LSU-aTm though? If you don't say the results of the games between each, you're lying.
That's what we're actually discussing here.
The OP's title wants us to measure a program's place within our conference and to discuss which fanbase knows and accepts their place in the SEC.
To do so, one must look at the total W-L season records within the conference for any given time frame.
On another subject, I believe LSU is closer to Alabama than aTm when you consider overall program strength, recruiting rankings, coaching staff, and on-the-field competitiveness. If Sumlin gets his thing rolling and Miles can get over his stubborn streak things may change in aTm's favor in the next few years. Who knows?
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:58 pm to cardboardboxer
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Overall my argument was LSU fans are just as or more delusional as A&M fans, and I think you agree with me so I will drop it.
Obviously. Both LSU and aTm fans, on the whole, are delusional as frick.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:59 pm to RB10
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Obviously. Both LSU and aTm fans, on the whole, are delusional as frick.
To that I say
Posted on 8/22/16 at 2:59 pm to cardboardboxer
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Overall my argument was LSU fans are just as or more delusional as A&M fans, and I think you agree with me so I will drop it.
frick the whole argument. I reject the very premise of the thread. We as fans don't have to accept anything. Why even bother to follow sports and go to the games if you don't want to be the best?
Posted on 8/22/16 at 3:00 pm to WG_Dawg
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In general (basically, not on the internet) I think AU fans are pretty level headed. They know they always have and always will be second fiddle to bama, and they are about on par with uf/uga/lsu. That's to say...a historically good program with blips of greatness here and there sprinkled with a lot of average as well.
Well, I'm sure you have meet/interacted with many more Auburn fans than I have but I always thought they had higher expectations than they should at times. That really isn't saying much though because any school would if they had Bama in the same state and primary rival.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 3:00 pm to RT1941
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On another subject, I believe LSU is closer to Alabama than aTm when you consider overall program strength, recruiting rankings, coaching staff, and on-the-field competitiveness. If Sumlin gets his thing rolling and Miles can get over his stubborn streak things may change in aTm's favor in the next few years. Who knows?
This is what I was discussing with cardboard. It had nothing to do with the OP.
This post was edited on 8/22/16 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 8/22/16 at 3:03 pm to cardboardboxer
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Sure, let's use the last four years:
Bama: 3 national titles
LSU: 0 national titles
A&M: 0 national titles
Gap between Bama and LSU still bigger than gap between LSU and A&M
Wait wait, you say. What about the results of games?1!
Bama: 50 wins in the last four years
LSU: 37 wins
A&M: 36 wins
So in the last four years there is a MASSIVE frickING GAP between Bama and LSU while a small one between LSU and A&M
Or here is a fun one:
Bama: 1 Heisman
LSU: 0 Heisman
A&M: 1 Heisman
I don't know what you were thinking honestly, the four year span is worse than all-time.
But you did do a great job proving my point about the level of LSU fan delusion, thank you for that.
My goodness cardboardboxer....at least use some lube!
This post was edited on 8/22/16 at 3:06 pm
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