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When this board mocked Arkansas

Posted on 8/15/09 at 10:42 am
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 10:42 am
Almost 4 years ago for hiring a High School offensive coordinator, and you guys mocked the hire worse than that of Cheeze-it, who thought it would impact the game as much as it did? All the way from college to the NFL.

I remember the laughs never ended.

After 2 OC of the Year awards in 3 years and offenses that have led the nation in numerous statistical categories at Arkansas and Tulsa, I don't hear the laughing?

Let's discuss the "Wildcat". The single-wing has been around for a thousand years but it was Gus's testicular fortitude to reintroduce it via the "wildcat" that set the play calling world on fire. How many NCAA teams now have this in their playbook? Half? Old Piss treats that page like the family bible. How about the NFL? Miami acts like the wheel has been reinvented and let's not pretend like Michael Vick doesn't have a job today thanks to the formation. You can't hear the guys name without it being immediately followed by "wildcat".


I look for Auburn to surprise some folks this year and it has to do with what Gus is really known for, the "hurry-up, no-huddle". Nuttzi said no to it at Arkansas but it is one of the most exciting styles of football around. Can your defense be ready to play another down within 5 seconds of the ball being spotted? All game long? Let's hope so.

And before someone says it, the "hurry-up, no-huddle" is mutually exclusive from the spread or any particular formation. It can be ran from the wishbone if need be. Its about tempo.

Anyway, just wanted to ask where the laughter went and go on the record as saying Auburn is going to surprise some folks this year on offense.
This post was edited on 8/15/09 at 10:44 am
Posted by schulte
Arkansas, Unfortunately
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 10:47 am to
So copying the Single Wing and throwing out of it is earth shattering? I mean Franchione ran the single-wing at Bama when he first got there. People are starting to defend it better, watch how they bring the safety or Linebacker up now.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 10:47 am to
Impress as compared to what? They have no depth on the O-line and less than stellar QB play up to this point. They're making big plays in practice, but their wr's have been going against 5'5" db's.
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 10:50 am to
Sure, eventually the Wildcat will have an answer but you may have missed the point.

He was laughed at non stop by this board, worse than cheeze-it, and all he has done since is win awards, break records, lead national statistical categories, and give half the NCAA and NFL a new toy to play with.
Posted by schulte
Arkansas, Unfortunately
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 10:52 am to
My point is that he copied an offense that had been used for decades though. He is getting credit for things he did not do. I understand that his teams at Springdale (biggest HS in the state) were good, as with Shiloh (recruited which is legal for a private school and played in a very bad league). But to say he is a "mad scientist" for offenses is not true.
This post was edited on 8/15/09 at 10:54 am
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 11:01 am to
Call him what you want but since his hire there hasn't been a more accomplished assistant coach in college football.

In 3 years his resume now includes 3 division titles, 3 conference championship games, 3 bowls, 2 OC of the Year awards, nation leading team and individual offensive stats, and a formation that has swept the sport.

Point being, no one's laughing now and don't overlook Auburn.
Posted by TigersRuleTheEarth
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 11:02 am to
quote:

When this board mocked Arkansas
Almost 4 years ago for hiring a High School offensive coordinator,


The SEC Rant wasn't around 4 years ago.
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 11:03 am to
Symantics


The "Rant".
Posted by 9Fiddy
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 11:06 am to
You're good offenses are a direct result of the lower average temps in Arkansas. FACT
Posted by mceuph
New Orleans, LA
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 11:09 am to
quote:

ventually the Wildcat will have an answer but you may have missed the point.


The Wildcat has an answer. What didn't have an answer was Darren McFadden. Add Felix Jones to that and your really don't have an answer. Put McFadden and Jones in ANY formation and you're going to succeed unless your O-line is literally crippled.
This post was edited on 8/15/09 at 11:10 am
Posted by Maximus
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 11:23 am to
i am always amazed at how much Pig fans still want to eat Gus' cum simply to spite Houston Nutt.
Posted by phaz
Waddell, AZ
Member since Jan 2009
5823 posts
Posted on 8/15/09 at 11:34 am to
quote:

The single-wing has been around for a thousand years but it was Gus's testicular fortitude to reintroduce it via the "wildcat" that set the play calling world on fire.



Seem to remember Gene Stallings doing this successfully with David Palmer, and even Mike Shula using Tyronne Prothro this way before Gus did.

But, they didn't invent the cool name "wildcat".
This post was edited on 8/15/09 at 11:36 am
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 11:52 am to
I didn't turn on my TV this morning to hear Direct TV asking me if I missed Ronnie Brown unleashing one of Stalling's or Shula's formations on the Patriots.

I didn't get in my car to hear ESPN Radio ask if Vick would have a job if not for one of Stalling's or Shula's formations.

Half the schools in America aren't pondering using one of Stalling's or Shula's formations.

And beyond that single formation, no one was going over board mocking either of the above mentioned hirings due to their "high school" background.

1) It seems to really piss Bama fans off that an Auburn staffer is highly touted. Never realized this til now.

And

2) My question is "Where is the laughter now?".From laughing stock to a 4th year assistant with a better resume than 80% of his assistant peers across America.
Posted by inelishaitrust
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 11:52 am to
quote:

Auburn is going to surprise some folks this year on offense.

Gus is overrated. He's a good coordinator, but he's overrated.
Everybody from springdale rode in on Damian Williams' coattails.
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 12:01 pm to
An over rated OC that has won the highest honors his position can earn him, twice in three years, with nation leading offenses and the implementation of formations that have now become career savers in the NFL.

Ok.

Auburn is going to bite someone in the arse this year and it would be fitting for it to be Old Piss (Nutt has it coming) and Bama, for equally obvious reason.
Posted by mceuph
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

2) My question is "Where is the laughter now?".From laughing stock to a 4th year assistant with a better resume than 80% of his assistant peers across America.


Congrats to Gus on his "better resume." When that translates into winning an SEC West championship, lemme know.
Posted by wildrebeltime
Little Rock
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 12:07 pm to
woopiginaustin, you are really not being logical about it.

The first thing to point out is that when Malzhan was at Arkansas he recruited Kodi burns to AR. Malzhan thought Burns could run a spread offense in the SEC. He said on local radio when he got to Auburn Burns could run his offense. After the spring he wasn't saying that and low and behold Burns is not the QB anymore. Last years Burns was one of the most inaccurate passers the SEC has every seen.

So, Malzhan has already shown no ability to; a.) evaluate a qb for his system in the SEC or b.) develop the same qb he tried to recruit 3 years ago as an SEC qb. So, essentially you have your first big sign that Malzhan is in over his head. A guy he was so high on in highschool has already played in a spread and failed miserably

His awards at Tulsa mean nothing b/c that conference is not equiped to stop offense. He wanted a taste at the big time and he's got it and he will fail.

Furthermore, his Hurry up no Huddle approach can very easily work against him like it did against Houston last year. If a defense wants a rest from it all they have to do is send someone to the turf grabbing his foot for a few seconds. East Carolina did that a few times in that conference title game and the guy who limped off was back in the game 2 plays later.

Malzhan has also only won with his QB working out of the shot gun, all his life. It's pretty common knowledge that SEC teams are going to have to work QB under center to be successful. I've never heard of a coach who was 100% shotgun being a good pro-style, under center coach such as a Bob Petrino. I've seen alot of confusion in teams that work exclusively out of the shotgun when differnet defenses players are show blitz. sometimes you get 2 guys showin, sometimes 3 sometimes 1 comes sometimes both sometimes none sometimes 3 and they can come from all different directions. they can move up back all around and when Herring did that to Malzhan on the practice field in 2006 Malzhan had absoletly no chance.

Long and short of it is, come off your Malzhan high-horse. The guy is a fraud that won't win in the SEC.
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 8/15/09 at 12:07 pm to
mceuph:


SEC West Champ was "added" his first year.


WRT:

He won an OC of the Year at Arkansas and Tulsa.

The little he was allowed to do at Arkansas was sufficient enough for the honor.
This post was edited on 8/15/09 at 12:12 pm
Posted by phaz
Waddell, AZ
Member since Jan 2009
5823 posts
Posted on 8/15/09 at 12:11 pm to
You are correct, we should all be afraid of the co-offensive coordinator, who was only in charge of the passing game.

However, as an Alabama fan, I remember the one time he coached against us. Gus kept us in the game all by himself! We couldn't even slow McFadden down, yet he kept passing with freshman who was terrible!
Posted by wildrebeltime
Little Rock
Member since May 2009
2058 posts
Posted on 8/15/09 at 12:16 pm to
if he was given full reign of the offense like he thought he deserved then Arkansas would not have won the west and he would not have won the award. He can thank Nutt's brilliant recruiting and Nutt's brilliant way of giving him a limited playbook for going to the SEC title game.

I hope you enjoyed it b/c Arkansas won't go back for 25 years.
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