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re: What’s funny is, your conference wanted US.

Posted on 9/9/22 at 7:57 pm to
Posted by WestRockyTop
West Tennessee
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 9/9/22 at 7:57 pm to
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We offer your conference a hedge against the SEC getting eaten alive by the Big 10.


Posted by SaturdayNAthens
Georgia
Member since Dec 2017
10871 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:10 pm to
Big 10 champ Michigan got eaten alive and spit out by Georgia just a few short months ago. Georgia owns the Big 10. Ask Perdue, Ohio st, Wisconsin and now Michigan. UT needs to worry more about their miserable excuse of a team and the possible shortage of mustard bottles instead of making ridiculous comments about their betters.
Posted by FluffyBunnyFeet
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2014
2370 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:36 pm to
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ESPN hypes up the teams that are good. I guess in the early 2000's ESPN hated Texas and Oklahoma?
Not entirely relevant because the SEC wasn't in business with ESPN back then. When Texas or Oklahoma lost games in the 2000s, we were actually punished for it in the polls. That's not a reality any of you have known for quite some time.
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The SEC got the attention it gets(and continues to get) because of the success it's had.

Chicken vs. Egg. The SEC gets the attention it gets because of ESPN and Nick Saban. The rest of the conference benefitted from some wonky transitive property, as if being in the vicinity of Alabama's greatness somehow made the rest of the conference great. That message filters down to the kids and suddenly the perception is reality.
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And yet you sit here with a straight face and act other teams are getting undue hype for recruiting?
No, I didn't actually say that. I said ESPN pimps the SEC based almost entirely on the success of one team. Bully for the others that have popped up and won a title, but they got there on the winds of a media propaganda machine that kept SEC teams at or near the top of the polls whether they won or lost. LSU loses to Auburn? We'll just drop LSU two spots because they lost to another SEC team, and we'll move Auburn up eight spots because they beat an SEC team. It's media-driven incest.
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And honestly, it's extra fricking laughable coming from a Texas fan. Is there ANY team that has been over-rated more often than Texas over the past 20 years?
Probably not, but you should ask yourself why that is? Why would the media hype us up like that? Before you try to answer, go look up some antonyms for that "irrelevant" tag you guys like to throw around.

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You think Texas has been getting it's arse kicked by teams like Kansas because you didn't recruit good enough?
Yes, along with a full decade of non-stop coaching instability. I don't think it, I know it. If you actually looked at those classes and saw how they turned out rather than looking at stars or recruiting rankings you'd know it, too. And for the record, we're 8-2 in the last 10 against Kansas. By your standard, Texas A&M is kicking your arse (and that might actually be a reality you're looking at in the NIL era).
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Once again, I'm not saying Texas is worthless.
Eh, you kinda did, but it brought a chuckle so thanks. In the meantime, loathe as you might be to admit it, Texas and Oklahoma are helping you stave off an assault from the Big10. You don't have to say thank you, but you could at least dial back the naked disrespect a notch or two. Outside of my complete and utter disdain for aggy, and though I will return fire when fired upon, I've always tried to be respectful toward the rest of you.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 8:43 pm
Posted by FluffyBunnyFeet
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2014
2370 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:40 pm to
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Big talk little Texas man. It’s going to be so much fun whooping up on your sorry teams arse. No one wanted you but the real SEC is going to really enjoy those easy wins. We all need a break from playing good teams. Everyone needs a game where they can rest once in awhile




Scoreboard, puppy.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22592 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:53 pm to
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Not entirely relevant because the SEC was wasn't in business with ESPN back then. When Texas or Oklahoma lost games in the 2000s, we were actually punished for it in the polls. That's not a reality any of you have known for quite some time.


What? ESPN has been working with all conferences since the 90s.

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Chicken vs. Egg. The SEC gets the attention it gets because of ESPN and Nick Saban. The rest of the conference benefitted from some wonky transitive property, as if being in the vicinity of Alabama's greatness somehow made the rest of the conference great. That message filters down to the kids and suddenly the perception is reality.


Again, what? LSU won 2 titles in the 2000's, and that alone tied the SEC with the Big12. On top of that, Florida won 2 titles in that time period as well. Alabama was a little late to the party and only had 1 NC in that decade, and it was rounded out by a national championship by Auburn in 2010.

The SEC won 60% of the national championships in the 2000s and only 10% of that was Alabama.

How long have you even been watching the sport?

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No, I didn't actually say that. I said ESPN pimps the SEC based almost entirely on the success of one team. Bully for the others that have popped up and won a title, but they got there on the winds of a media propaganda machine that kept SEC teams at or near the top of the polls whether they won or lost. LSU loses to Auburn? We'll just drop LSU two spots because they lost to another SEC team, and we'll move Auburn up eight spots because they beat an SEC team. It's media-driven incest.


This has been proven to be bullshite. Someone did a study trying to prove this and accidentally proved the opposite was true. SEC teams were rewarded less for wins and punished more for losses.

This is just shite losers like yourself have made up to cope with the reality.

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Probably not, but you should ask yourself why that is? Why would the media hype us up like that? Before you try to answer, go look up some antonyms for that "irrelevant" tag you guys like to throw around.



Because your fanbase is dumb enough to believe and buy magazines and shite as a result.

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Yes, along with a full decade of non-stop coaching instability. I don't think it, I know it. If you actually looked at those classes and saw how they turned out rather than looking at stars or recruiting rankings you'd know it, too. And for the record, we're 8-2 in the last 10 against Kansas. By your standard, Texas A&M is kicking your arse (and that might actually be a reality you're looking at in the NIL era).


Did Texas go on to play for the national championship after losing to Kansas?

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Eh, you kinda did, but it brought a chuckle so thanks. In the meantime, loathe as you might be to admit it, Texas and Oklahoma are helping you stave off an assault from the Big10. You don't have to say thank you, but you could at least dial back the naked disrespect a notch or two. Outside of my complete and utter disdain for aggy, I've always tried to be respectful toward the rest of you.


Again, stave off what assault from the Big10? Where is it? It's all shite you've made up in your head.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139808 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:55 pm to
The jaguars drafted how many piece of shite players?

You are one of those players. It’s a terrible decision.
Posted by Taurus 357
Great Lakes Gambler
Member since Dec 2014
3916 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:04 pm to
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Georgia owns the Big 10. Ask Perdue, Ohio st, Wisconsin and now Michigan


But Michigan St and Nebraska have had some success vs UGA. Same with Penn St. OSU only played UGA once and lost by 7 in a bowl game. Not bad though. Here’s a link for the Big Ten vs other conferences since 1998. They are dead even at .500- the SEC has a decided edge head to head vs the Big Ten, which is to be expected. Some good games over the years. Much better to play the tougher competition of the SEC than say, the Big XII or the PAC. Bu there are good teams in each of those conferences. Obviously the depth is where the SEC has a big advantage. LINK
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 9:05 pm
Posted by PerrillouxToTexas
Member since Sep 2022
5167 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:09 pm to
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Are you new to football? You think the SEC came to be the way it is while the Big10 wasn't getting media benefit?

Do you not remember how the teams that were supposed to be the ones that would meet from the same conference in the BCS was going to be either Ohio St vs Michigan, or Oklahoma vs Texas? But then it ends up being Alabama vs LSU. And now Alabama and Georgia have made the playoffs twice.


None of this is pertinent to the discussion. Football national championships are a second- or third-order concern. It's about the brands, the number of fans that watch their content, and the revenue they generate. If the championships mattered, SEC would obviously be far and ahead of any other conference in revenue today.

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First, that's not going to happen and you clearly don't understand the NIL ruling. The schools are NOT going to be paying the kids directly EVER.


This NIL ruling will fall just like the bylaws and rules that preceded it. But even that isn't painting the full picture: a conference with 7 of 8 of the sport's biggest and most valuable programs is powerful enough to break away from the NCAA and make its own rules. The teams that don't pull their weight, Rutgers, Maryland, etc. will be cast aside or be forced to take a smaller slice.

Fox, CBS, ESPN executives sat in their offices this week trying to figure out how to make this happen in the next 10-15 years.

Imagine Alabama joining the "National Collegiate Football League" after it gets sick of being outbid for recruits. LSU, Florida, Georgia, Texas A&M, Tennessee come along and form the AFC to the NCFL's NFC. The rest are hosed, and your precious SEC is a thing of the past.

Don't think this will happen? 10 years ago, would you have thought the Pac10 would be on the verge of collapse? 20 years ago, the Big 12 (well, maybe )? You really think this is where it stops?

Your SEC camaraderie is only as strong as each member's options. These university presidents and ADs will always chase the money. Live sports is the TV Networks' last hope, and they will continue to squeeze and consolidate until there's no more blood in the stone.

Luckily, Sankey fell arse backwards into Texas and Oklahoma which probably saved the SEC from this or a similar fate.
Posted by Gunny Hartman
Member since Jan 2021
413 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:14 pm to
This was Sankeys idea. The fans definitely do not want you in the conference. frick off and die.
Posted by SFTL
Member since Mar 2016
65 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:49 pm to
Morons from Austin: The SEC only recruits well be cause their brand is so good.

Also morons from Austin: you needed Texas to save your brand.

It's gonna be fun beating the crap out of these limp wristed morons while cashing the checks their deluded fan base brings in.

Can't wait for their new brand of excuses when A&M goes on another 80s and 90s tear on Dat arse.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22592 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:57 pm to
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None of this is pertinent to the discussion. Football national championships are a second- or third-order concern. It's about the brands, the number of fans that watch their content, and the revenue they generate. If the championships mattered, SEC would obviously be far and ahead of any other conference in revenue today.


Well I'm a fan, so the only thing I give a shite about is wins. I recognize money is to some degree important to that goal, but it's certainly not the main goal.

Alabama can start making billions tomorrow, but who gives a frick if they play like Texas?

You obviously don't know where the revenue for teams actually comes from at any rate.

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This NIL ruling will fall just like the bylaws and rules that preceded it. But even that isn't painting the full picture: a conference with 7 of 8 of the sport's biggest and most valuable programs is powerful enough to break away from the NCAA and make its own rules. The teams that don't pull their weight, Rutgers, Maryland, etc. will be cast aside or be forced to take a smaller slice.

Fox, CBS, ESPN executives sat in their offices this week trying to figure out how to make this happen in the next 10-15 years.

Imagine Alabama joining the "National Collegiate Football League" after it gets sick of being outbid for recruits. LSU, Florida, Georgia, Texas A&M, Tennessee come along and form the AFC to the NCFL's NFC. The rest are hosed, and your precious SEC is a thing of the past.

Don't think this will happen? 10 years ago, would you have thought the Pac10 would be on the verge of collapse? 20 years ago, the Big 12 (well, maybe )? You really think this is where it stops?

Your SEC camaraderie is only as strong as each member's options. These university presidents and ADs will always chase the money. Live sports is the TV Networks' last hope, and they will continue to squeeze and consolidate until there's no more blood in the stone.

Luckily, Sankey fell arse backwards into Texas and Oklahoma which probably saved the SEC from this or a similar fate.


This is all shite you've made up.
Posted by FluffyBunnyFeet
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2014
2370 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:20 pm to
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ESPN has been working with all conferences since the 90s.

Working with <> owning 80% of a single conference's network. They had a vested interest in your success and acted accordingly.

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Someone did a study

Well, it's late and I had no idea that Someone did a study. I'm too tired to impeach the work of mighty Someone.

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Again, stave off what assault from the Big10? Where is it? It's all shite you've made up in your head.

It's in their media markets. There's are larger than yours. It's in broadcast revenue. They were out-earning you before they added USC and UCLA. They're talking shite about passing a portion of those broadcast revenues directly to players, AND we're at the dawn of an entirely new era of college football with NIL. In short: Money. Money is not "shite I've made up in my head." Money is real. Money is weaponry, and right now they have a larger stockpile than you. I can't believe you don't see that, but it doesn't matter if you don't. Sankey does, and while you may hate the idea of Texas and OU in the SEC, I guarantee you it's a better scenario for you than Texas and OU in the Big10. You're welcome.

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losers like yourself

Whoa! Look who's fussy! Have a nap or something you cranky old bastard!

I'd wish you good luck, but you don't need it. Alabama's gonna be on top forever and ever and there's no way that's changing.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:21 pm to
We will take your money and bitch slap you on the reg.

Win-win.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:22 pm to
Posted by SFTL
Member since Mar 2016
65 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:25 pm to
I also love how a school that just through 4 million at Ewers still believes they haven't been cheating for decades.

Such a precious little porcelain doll; the sips cognitive dissonance.
Posted by FluffyBunnyFeet
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2014
2370 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:28 pm to
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This NIL ruling will fall just like the bylaws and rules that preceded it.

What exactly do you mean by this? Short of another challenge going all the way through the supreme court, how will it fall?
Posted by PerrillouxToTexas
Member since Sep 2022
5167 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:30 pm to
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The SEC only recruits well be cause their brand is so good.


SEC recruits well because the best recruits are in the south. No denying that. You guys' brands are indeed lacking, which is why you need bluebloods Texas and OU.
Posted by FluffyBunnyFeet
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2014
2370 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:32 pm to
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I also love how a school that just through 4 million at Ewers still believes they haven't been cheating for decades.

Well, firstly, it's "threw." And secondly, I've never seen any real corroboration of that number beyond aggy fever dreams. And if we did throw $4 million at him it was through (<-- proper usage) a legit NIL deal.

You can believe what you want, but Texas boosters never evolved past the old-school $100 handshake form of cheating. We have never had an organized bag game and we still don't to this day.
Posted by PerrillouxToTexas
Member since Sep 2022
5167 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:36 pm to
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What exactly do you mean by this? Short of another challenge going all the way through the supreme court, how will it fall?


Well, exactly like that. Each supreme court ruling has given more and more power to the schools. NIL is just another step in the journey to the professional student-athlete.

But again, the more likely thing is that the money schools (SEC currently has one: Texas A&M) collude with the networks to break away from the NCAA entirely, circumventing the need to go through the courts.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22592 posts
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:40 pm to
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Working with <> owning 80% of a single conference's network. They had a vested interest in your success and acted accordingly.



They hype whoever is good. It's always been that way, it probably always will be. They didn't start hyping Alabama until Alabama had a bunch of success.

If the hype came before the success, Texas wouldn't suck.

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Well, it's late and I had no idea that Someone did a study. I'm too tired to impeach the work of mighty Someone.


It was Yahoo who did it. But since you are making the argument in the other direction, do you have anything remotely factual to back it up? Obviously you do not.


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It's in their media markets. There's are larger than yours. It's in broadcast revenue. They were out-earning you before they added USC and UCLA.



Not really. You are talking about 1 part of the revenue source. You also don't seem to understand that the numbers given are total.

$100 million divided among 10 teams = $10 million for each team.

$120 million divided among 12 teams = $10 million for each team.

$200 million divided among 20 teams = $10 million for each team.

It doesn't matter if you are increasing the amount of teams for a bigger check when you have to split the difference. Only a dumbass looks at the $100 and $200 million dollar number as being significant.

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AND we're at the dawn of an entirely new era of college football with NIL. In short: Money. Money is not "shite I've made up in my head." Money is real. Money is weaponry, and right now they have a larger stockpile than you. I can't believe you don't see that, but it doesn't matter if you don't. Sankey does, and while you may hate the idea of Texas and OU in the SEC, I guarantee you it's a better scenario for you than Texas and OU in the Big10. You're welcome.


It is shite you've made up. And you must not understand shite about NIL to think it's even possible. You are talking about having the schools pay the players, and if the schools are paying the players...it's going to be the same amount for everyone. However, that has absolutely nothing to do with NIL. NIL deals are made between the players and OUTSIDE entities.

So if you don't even understand what NIL is, why the frick am I supposed to believe everything you've said based on that misunderstanding is anything other than shite you've made up?

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I'd wish you good luck, but you don't need it. Alabama's gonna be on top forever and ever and there's no way that's changing.


I've been watching college football for over 40 years. I'm well aware of how things change.

It has absolutely nothing to do with you making shite up. Nor is having more money somehow going to guarantee Alabama stays on top.

It's no wonder Texas can't get shite going, you guys don't have the first clue about what's important.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 10:41 pm
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