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re: What's better....A Division crown or BCS Bowl?
Posted on 4/12/11 at 10:44 am to TheCheshireHog
Posted on 4/12/11 at 10:44 am to TheCheshireHog
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The whole purpose of this thread IS based off of the arguement of is losing in the SECCG better than getting an at-large BCS berth.
That is how you are spinning the thread. It is not how I view the question at all.
quote:The OP states the possibility and does not specify losing or winning. However, let's look at it the way you are. Would it be better to say you were division champion and played and lost in the SECCG, or is it better to say your team went to the BCS bowl and lost? Take Money out of it. Are you going to hang the Division Champion banner or the BCS Sugar Bowl Loser banner?
Some people feel that a BCS Bowl (at-large) is better than playing for the possibility of a Conference Championship.
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Posted on 4/12/11 at 10:46 am to Hawgeye
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I agree with virtually everything you said, but belittling USC because we won a down East isn't warranted, IMO.
We had a couple shortcomings, but I wouldn't call it a miracle run. I guess we'll see, if we can do it again this year.
Overall, I think there were 3-4 teams that could have been second in the SEC this year. Auburn was clearly the best.
IMO, Arky, Bama, USC, and LSU were all very solid. USC benefited from being in the East where we could be flawed and still make the SECCG, the others did not.
We were 9-3 going into the title game, that's not too shabby and it was good enough to win the division.
FWIW, I think Arky had year than USC. But I would still take playing in Atlanta for the chance to win the SEC, over an At-Large bid.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:07 am to MsGarrison
An SEC Championship is definately harder to get these days. 
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:25 am to wadewilson
becomes a matter of opinion if you lose (or know you will lose) the SEC CCG... but if you don't know you will lose I would say winning the division
Not really because it is always better just that it gives you a chance to win the SEC
Not really because it is always better just that it gives you a chance to win the SEC
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:33 am to Hawgeye
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In 2006, it was better. We had a solid team but lacked coaching ability. We won 10 games and represented the West well. We were ranked in the top 10 for a lot of the year then lost 3 in a row. Ended up in one of the best bowl games outside of the BCS. That year > at large BCS birth IMO.
This past year we were 2nd in the SEC in overall standings finishing at 10-2, 6-2 in SEC play. We beat the East division winner by 20 points. We got an at large BCS bowl birth.
2010 was a better year, with a better bowl than 1995 & 2002. Just because you make it to Atlanta does not mean you had a great year. We had a great year last year. Much better than two of the years we went to Atlanta.
Little disconnect in your logic here, but I understand what you're saying and I agree.
In 06, LSU didn't play for the SEC title, but got a good BCS game and dismantled Notre Dame. I think that probably played a part in our 2007 BCS championship run. We lost the final game to Arky, but still played in the SEC championship.
I think every athlete would love to play in a conference championship, but objectively, it's probably better to get an at-large bid and win that bowl than go to Atlanta and lose.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:36 am to MsGarrison
id rather not win the division and play in a bcs bowl than win the division lose the sec title game and go to a non bcs bowl.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:36 am to wadewilson
JMO
05 and 06 LSU were really similar seasons and I'm not sure I value one a lot more than the other... although 05 LSU lost to UGA in the SEC CCG and then thumped Notre Dame in a BCS bowl
06 LSU didn't make the SEC CCG (because they played Florida in the regular season) and thumped Miami in the Peach Bowl
Very similar seasons. Two losses... dominating bowl wins over name programs
And neither was a SEC or National Championship season
05 and 06 LSU were really similar seasons and I'm not sure I value one a lot more than the other... although 05 LSU lost to UGA in the SEC CCG and then thumped Notre Dame in a BCS bowl
06 LSU didn't make the SEC CCG (because they played Florida in the regular season) and thumped Miami in the Peach Bowl
Very similar seasons. Two losses... dominating bowl wins over name programs
And neither was a SEC or National Championship season
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:41 am to molsusports
quote:the frick????
although 05 LSU lost to UGA in the SEC CCG and then thumped Notre Dame in a BCS bowl
06 LSU didn't make the SEC CCG (because they played Florida in the regular season) and thumped Miami in the Peach Bowl
05 we lost and dropped to the peach and destroyed da u
06 les and staff choked the auburn game away while jruss purple drank and all didnt give a frick about the uf game costing us that. then we went on a roll and ended up in the sugar after usc choked costing us a rose bowl.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:52 am to heartbreakTiger
sorry, had my years backwards obviously
Doesn't change anything tho... both years ended with no SEC Championship and a thumping of a name program in a bowl
So, in the vein of the thread I don't see a major difference
Doesn't change anything tho... both years ended with no SEC Championship and a thumping of a name program in a bowl
So, in the vein of the thread I don't see a major difference
This post was edited on 4/12/11 at 11:52 am
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:52 am to heartbreakTiger
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the frick????
05 we lost and dropped to the peach and destroyed da u
06 les and staff choked the auburn game away while jruss purple drank and all didnt give a frick about the uf game costing us that. then we went on a roll and ended up in the sugar after usc choked costing us a rose bowl.
What he said.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 11:55 am to molsusports
really not a big difference but id give 06 the nod because the bcs is the bigger stage. plus it sucks arse losing the sec title game.
also bcs cities are cooler than the nonbcs cities.
also bcs cities are cooler than the nonbcs cities.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 12:00 pm to heartbreakTiger
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id rather not win the division and play in a bcs bowl than win the division lose the sec title game and go to a non bcs bowl.
I'm with you on this one. LSU 2006>>LSU 2005.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 12:02 pm to heartbreakTiger
Only bad thing about the Peach Bowl (game vs Miami) was going there after being there recently for the SEC CCG
Otherwise I think Atlanta (or Dallas for that matter) is a very cool city
I dunno which year was better really... maybe I would have a favorite if one of those years the prestige of the program LSU thumped had been lesser... or if LSU had lost one of those bowl games...
Otherwise I think Atlanta (or Dallas for that matter) is a very cool city
I dunno which year was better really... maybe I would have a favorite if one of those years the prestige of the program LSU thumped had been lesser... or if LSU had lost one of those bowl games...
Posted on 4/12/11 at 12:06 pm to molsusports
It's easy for me, I'd take out SEC Title game appearance over any other year, we've had.
FWIW
FWIW
Posted on 4/12/11 at 12:06 pm to heartbreakTiger
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id rather not win the division and play in a bcs bowl than win the division lose the sec title game and go to a non bcs bowl.
Before the season starts someone says we will give LSU a BCS bowl bid right now or we will make you division champs and a place in the SECCG what do you choose?
This post was edited on 4/12/11 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 4/12/11 at 12:06 pm to tiger perry
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I'm with you on this one. LSU 2006>>LSU 2005.
And 2008 Alabama>>>2010 Alabama even though 2010 Alabama was clearly the superior team.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 12:09 pm to Bench McElroy
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And 2008 Alabama>>>2010 Alabama even though 2010 Alabama was clearly the superior team.
just a matter of opinion now (like everything else)... but I think if I were a Bama fan I would be more content/satisfied with 2010 Bama
That team ended the year on a nice positive... 08 bama lost their last two games... and the bowl loss was bad and embarrassing (to an inferior opponent)
I would think Bama fan in 2010 has no concerns or insecurities about being able to compete at the highest level... I would think Bama fan in 2008 would have been left with real concerns on that issue
There's no right answer tho
Posted on 4/12/11 at 12:55 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
with this current team id take the sec title bc its the step towards the nc we should have.
now once the team gets 2 losses id rather a bcs at large over go to the sec title game and pick up loss 3
now once the team gets 2 losses id rather a bcs at large over go to the sec title game and pick up loss 3
Posted on 4/12/11 at 12:58 pm to heartbreakTiger
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with this current team id take the sec title bc its the step towards the nc we should have.
now once the team gets 2 losses id rather a bcs at large over go to the sec title game and pick up loss 3
That is why I said before the season started.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 1:01 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
it really depends on the team and what you expect out of them. if i thought this team wasnt good enough for a nc id say give me the bcs bowl but this team should be a nc team if les benches his son.
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