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What will your honest reaction be if Miller
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:10 pm
Is eventually charged/convicted with/of a crime?
What will it be if he isn't?
So I know he hasn't been charged and probably won't be but I kinda wanted to see where everyone stood in relation to those two outcomes.
Let's say some new evidence comes out and he is charged/eventually convicted. I as a Bama fan when he is charged I'd want a suspension/removal from the team. If convicted I'd want his name removed from the University.
If no charge is forthcoming I'd rely on the hope, without hearing the absolute evidence, that our criminal justice system worked as it was supposed to. And that he isn't guilty of committing a crime.
I think a way to resolve some of the concerns of preferential treatment is to have the state's AG review the case.
What will it be if he isn't?
So I know he hasn't been charged and probably won't be but I kinda wanted to see where everyone stood in relation to those two outcomes.
Let's say some new evidence comes out and he is charged/eventually convicted. I as a Bama fan when he is charged I'd want a suspension/removal from the team. If convicted I'd want his name removed from the University.
If no charge is forthcoming I'd rely on the hope, without hearing the absolute evidence, that our criminal justice system worked as it was supposed to. And that he isn't guilty of committing a crime.
I think a way to resolve some of the concerns of preferential treatment is to have the state's AG review the case.
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:12 pm to BFANLC
If he ends up being charged (basically zero chance) Bama will have to fire a few people
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:13 pm to BFANLC
In Alabama DAs and the AG of the State are all elected officials. No DA or the AG is gonna go after Miller. Would be political suicide.
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If during the course of the trial it comes out that Miller cut a deal or he willingly knew what the context of Miles text then people at Alabama need to be fired includeing AD, Oats. and Bell
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If during the course of the trial it comes out that Miller cut a deal or he willingly knew what the context of Miles text then people at Alabama need to be fired includeing AD, Oats. and Bell
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:14 pm to Sun God
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If he ends up being charged (basically zero chance) Bama will have to fire a few people
My first reaction when you said this is Oates and the Ad get fired. But would it take an investigation to show they did something wrong or just straight away because of how they handled the situation?
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:14 pm to BFANLC
I would hope these damn threads would come to an end……crap..
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:15 pm to BFANLC
quote:Related to the murder of Harris? I’d be shocked. The ADA publicly stated she didn’t have a crime she could charge him with. That isn’t true, but it would be pretty tough to go against that without new evidence.
Is eventually charged/convicted with/of a crime?
quote:I’ll hope it’s because exculpatory evidence that is relatively clear exists.
What will it be if he isn't?
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:15 pm to Clark14
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would hope these damn threads would come to an end……crap..
Lol me too just wanted more honest opinion instead of the bs.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:15 pm to BFANLC
Forget the legal charges for a minute.
Guy transported a gun to a confrontation at almost 2am knowing his friends wanted it
Murder happens
Now no repercussion of any kind for Miller. Doesn't make sense
Guy transported a gun to a confrontation at almost 2am knowing his friends wanted it
Murder happens
Now no repercussion of any kind for Miller. Doesn't make sense
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:15 pm to BFANLC
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think a way to resolve some of the concerns of preferential treatment is to have the state's DA review the case.
No no no we are way past that…. Something bigger is going on and the person getting investigated will be the AD of Bama and probably the FBI making a case vs the DA who chose not to pursue a crime when all the facts point to him being a felon….. this won’t go away.
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:17 pm to MOJO_ERASER
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fbi
Think this would fall more under DOJ's jd.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:22 pm to BFANLC
I don’t care if he’s charged or not. I’d just like the justice system’s response to make sense in the end with the facts we end up knowing.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:25 pm to HailToTheChiz
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Forget the legal charges for a minute.
Guy transported a gun to a confrontation at almost 2am knowing his friends wanted it
Murder happens
This kinda falls outside the scope of my thread. So I kinda am a black and white kinda guy...I 100% believe in people's rights, as I'm sure most here do. I also believe in our system even with its flaws. The right for due process, innocent until proven guilty etc. So until the trial where everything will be revealed I don't like to assume.
We don't know what happened so we can't make assumptions.
But like I said that's not what I was intending this thread to be about.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:26 pm to BFANLC
If Miller is innocent, I hope the evidence is convincing.
If he saw the ‘Joint’ text and elected to continue to the scene, then sat in the car and heard the gun talk, or if he drove participants away from the murder scene, then Bama ranking officials have to be fired. If any of those happened, Miller should have been expelled regardless of his personal legal liability.
If he saw the ‘Joint’ text and elected to continue to the scene, then sat in the car and heard the gun talk, or if he drove participants away from the murder scene, then Bama ranking officials have to be fired. If any of those happened, Miller should have been expelled regardless of his personal legal liability.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:29 pm to BFANLC
DAs go after crimes they can prove; being able to prove intent is pretty hard without something pretty damning.
That's why they have to debate in murder cases what severity of murder (1st degree, 2nd degree, manslaughter, etc.) they will attempt to prove because while they can usually prove, easily, IF the person killed someone, the level of INTENT becomes murkier.
Proving intent for someone in Miller's case is literally all they have because the acts themselves without intent aren't a crime at all (as opposed to an actual killing). Returning someone else's property at their request, even if used later in a homicide, isn't a criminal act in Alabama unless you can prove that the individual returning the property knew that was going to happen. Short of an actual conversation that details that it then becomes the opinion of what Miller thought would happen or wanted to happen, and the law doesn't give a rat's arse about a person's anti-Bama or pro-Bama bias, only what can be proven.
So if someone can prove Miller's INTENT and that said INTENT was to assist in a crime, then he should and can go to prison; otherwise, as far as actual criminal proceedings go there's not much you can do to Miller.
None of this has to do with my feelings on if he should play or not; this is entirely regarding how the law works in Alabama.
Just because a citizen thinks someone is guilty and should go to prison isn't enough. You have to prove the crime, and the only crime related to Miller's actions rely on intent because the act itself - returning someone else's property - isn't a crime in Alabama.
That's why they have to debate in murder cases what severity of murder (1st degree, 2nd degree, manslaughter, etc.) they will attempt to prove because while they can usually prove, easily, IF the person killed someone, the level of INTENT becomes murkier.
Proving intent for someone in Miller's case is literally all they have because the acts themselves without intent aren't a crime at all (as opposed to an actual killing). Returning someone else's property at their request, even if used later in a homicide, isn't a criminal act in Alabama unless you can prove that the individual returning the property knew that was going to happen. Short of an actual conversation that details that it then becomes the opinion of what Miller thought would happen or wanted to happen, and the law doesn't give a rat's arse about a person's anti-Bama or pro-Bama bias, only what can be proven.
So if someone can prove Miller's INTENT and that said INTENT was to assist in a crime, then he should and can go to prison; otherwise, as far as actual criminal proceedings go there's not much you can do to Miller.
None of this has to do with my feelings on if he should play or not; this is entirely regarding how the law works in Alabama.
Just because a citizen thinks someone is guilty and should go to prison isn't enough. You have to prove the crime, and the only crime related to Miller's actions rely on intent because the act itself - returning someone else's property - isn't a crime in Alabama.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:32 pm to HailToTheChiz
quote:This is it in a nutshell. I can't even start to imagine a scenario where a friend of mine would text me to come bring me his gun, at 2am, and I'm not asking "Why?"
Forget the legal charges for a minute.
Guy transported a gun to a confrontation at almost 2am knowing his friends wanted it
Murder happens
Now no repercussion of any kind for Miller. Doesn't make sense
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:34 pm to BFANLC
Miller probably has the IQ of some of those UNC basketball players that couldn’t read. There’s probably not enough evidence or guilt to convict of a crime, but most coaches in America would have suspended him during an investigation or cut ties with him.
One thing we’ve found out is nobody at Bama is going to be suspended by Oats for a violation of team rules, because he doesn’t have any.
One thing we’ve found out is nobody at Bama is going to be suspended by Oats for a violation of team rules, because he doesn’t have any.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:36 pm to greygoose
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I can't even start to imagine a scenario where a friend of mine would text me to come bring me his gun, at 2am, and I'm not asking "Why?"
That’s because you probably weren’t passed through school because of athletic abilities, then accepted to a school because you can dribble and shoot, and then released into the wild world of a college campus nightlife.
This applies to pretty much any major university.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:39 pm to TexasTiger08
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This applies to pretty much any major university.
An honest, though most likely unpopular, take on it.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:53 pm to skrayper
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An honest, though most likely unpopular, take on it.
If universities/coaches are selling out for wins and money, the LEAST they could do is make every attempt to get high character guys. I had some core classes with athletes at LSU that probably did well to read an analog clock. That’s the reality.
The LSU Title IX fiasco was disgusting. Derrius Guice’s alleged behavior, also disgusting. It’ll be a different school next year.
If I’m a Bama alum, I’m pretty pissed that Oats is allowed to continue to open his mouth, pissed that highly-paid admin undoubtedly put the university in a negative spotlight.
You can’t prevent the actions of a guy like Miles. That said, there were probably red flags around him, and his issues and behavior sucked in a couple of others.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:55 pm to BFANLC
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What will your honest reaction be if Miller is eventually charged/convicted with/of a crime?
What will it be if he isn't?
If he is, I'd be surprised.
If he isn't, I wouldn't.
The system just releases these thugs to kill again or breed out 57 little gubmint dependent bastard children.
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