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re: What problem does paying players solve?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:53 pm to Dawgfanman
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:53 pm to Dawgfanman
It's about having the right to your image and likeness. It's about goddamn free market capitalism and core American values.
If an olympic swimmer wins gold medals, she should be able to capitalize on endorsement dollars that come with that achievement. If a college kicker is a youtube personality, they should be able to make money off that without the NCAA telling them they have to shut down the account or quit playing college football.
If an olympic swimmer wins gold medals, she should be able to capitalize on endorsement dollars that come with that achievement. If a college kicker is a youtube personality, they should be able to make money off that without the NCAA telling them they have to shut down the account or quit playing college football.
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Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:57 pm to GaryGator
Even taking your extremely flawed point of view, the popularity and success of a football team drives up college applications and interest in a school. It allows colleges to be more selective and choose a higher quality of applicants than it would have been able to before.
And it's not just about muh football stars. Olympic sport athletes take some of the biggest Ls when they have to turn down endorsement deals after winning Gold in the olympics. Katie Ledecky didnt deserve her seat at Stanford?
And it's not just about muh football stars. Olympic sport athletes take some of the biggest Ls when they have to turn down endorsement deals after winning Gold in the olympics. Katie Ledecky didnt deserve her seat at Stanford?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:57 pm to Dawgfanman
There are people making millions being the CEO of non-profits designed for feeding starving kids.
Where is the outrage. NEED MOOR OUTRAGE!!!
Where is the outrage. NEED MOOR OUTRAGE!!!
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:59 pm to DawgsLife
Dude you proved nothing
They are called different things at different Colleges, since you wanna be an azz I was referring to the fees charged to full-time students that go to the Athl Dept
At some colleges it is called an ACTIVITY FEE
At some colleges it is called an ATHLETIC FEE
The money goes to the Athl Dept to subsidize College Athletics at that school, and in return the students get free or discounted tickets to sports events
The Revenue Sports don't need subsidies at the P5 & other big time schools, so those subsidies go to help non Revenue Men's Sports & Title IX Sports
Thanks for proving to the entire board what an idiot you are
Minutae will never be your friend on a Sports themed message board, it will only make you look pretty and silly
They are called different things at different Colleges, since you wanna be an azz I was referring to the fees charged to full-time students that go to the Athl Dept
At some colleges it is called an ACTIVITY FEE
At some colleges it is called an ATHLETIC FEE
The money goes to the Athl Dept to subsidize College Athletics at that school, and in return the students get free or discounted tickets to sports events
The Revenue Sports don't need subsidies at the P5 & other big time schools, so those subsidies go to help non Revenue Men's Sports & Title IX Sports
Thanks for proving to the entire board what an idiot you are
Minutae will never be your friend on a Sports themed message board, it will only make you look pretty and silly
Posted on 10/3/19 at 4:59 pm to Dawgfanman
Ask Auburn
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:00 pm to roadGator
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Is the piano player maintaining amateur status?
That's the point. Why does it matter that an athlete has to maintain amateur status, but not a pianist on a music scholarship? What's the difference between an an athletic scholarship and a music scholarship? They are both forms of entertainment and not academic.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:16 pm to DawgsLife
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You are under the impression that the majority of college athletes are white?
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And what does race have to do with anything anyway?
Dude. ?
Actually non revenue Men's Sports ARE majority white
Actually the majority of Title IX participants ARE white female
Your initial comments had the tenor & undertones that your precious Athletic Fees or Activity Fees when your Kids go to college would subsidize these greedy, entitled Revenue Sport athletes that ARE INDEED majority Black at the big money schools that the new California Law is targeting
Once again whatever FEES that students pay to the College's Athl Dept DO NOT subsidize the revenue sports that can stand on their own at the P5 level schools
In summary, suburban white male schmucks like yourself are angry, bitter, and jealous that Black Athletes already on full rides have the potential to cash in more than they already do while your Kids will either take on massive DEBT, or deplete your bank accounts to graduate from college
Does that just about cover everything we're talking about here?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:21 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
Jesus man I’m all for players being able to profit off themselves but get the racebaity shite out of here
You just look sad
You just look sad
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:30 pm to CNB
What's being ignored is the Calif.bill gives a player the right to negotiate for him. Does anyone on either side of the fence honestly believe this to be a good thing? Once an agent gets his hands on a player, honesty and integrity fly out the window.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:31 pm to Keltic Tiger
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honesty and integrity fly out the window.
Yeah college athletics has a ton of this right now.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:32 pm to DrKnievel
Outstanding Post
Intelligent and well thought out
In simple terms:
Players got full schollies before the major TV deals, you could go all the way back to the 40s if you wanted to
Fast fwd to 2019, the players "share" hasn't increased at all, they still get full schollies despite the massive TV Deals that have injected BILLIONS into the College game, everyone has shared in those BILLIONS based on Admin & Coaching salaries
Even local construction Companies have benefitted due to the boom in facilities
But the Frontline Talent hasn't seen any increase and still get the same full scholly, those are the players
I don't see how anyone can be against the players exercising a basic Constitutional Right, owning your own likeness and profiting from that likeness
Also I have never understood a person wanting to suppress another's earning potential when they aren't paying for it, this would be 3rd party money involved
Intelligent and well thought out
In simple terms:
Players got full schollies before the major TV deals, you could go all the way back to the 40s if you wanted to
Fast fwd to 2019, the players "share" hasn't increased at all, they still get full schollies despite the massive TV Deals that have injected BILLIONS into the College game, everyone has shared in those BILLIONS based on Admin & Coaching salaries
Even local construction Companies have benefitted due to the boom in facilities
But the Frontline Talent hasn't seen any increase and still get the same full scholly, those are the players
I don't see how anyone can be against the players exercising a basic Constitutional Right, owning your own likeness and profiting from that likeness
Also I have never understood a person wanting to suppress another's earning potential when they aren't paying for it, this would be 3rd party money involved
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:33 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Dude you proved nothing
I proved that almost everything you said was wrong. I showed where Activity Fees support all activities including all sports, and not just the Title IX sports.
For starters.
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They are called different things at different Colleges, since you wanna be an azz I was referring to the fees charged to full-time students that go to the Athl Dept
Yes they are. And if you look closely at the article at OSU they are called activity fees.
quote:Well, now. That flies in the face of what you said. You clearly said that they go to Title IX sports and nonrevenue sports, while Football and Basketball and baseball keep theirs.
The money goes to the Athl Dept to subsidize College Athletics at that school, and in return the students get free or discounted tickets to sports events
Here let me help a brother out and quote you directly.
Those fees pay for NON REVENUE and TITLE IX Sports, the revenue producing Sports pay their own freight, Baseball is a break even sport at most colleges
Do the research, I have stated proven facts above
THOSE were your exact words. Proven facts.
By the way...here was the beginning of your
proven facts".
This Athletic Fees or Activity Fees depending on what school you're at don't pay for CFB or MBB at the P5 big time schools, those fees are about 4%-5% of Athletic Budgets on average
Seems my links prove you wrong. You and your proven facts.
quote:So, now you are going to admit you didn't look at the links. Hint. They do not keep athletic department monies separated. In fact, some Football monies at LSU, for instance end up going to support academic programs.
The Revenue Sports don't need subsidies at the P5 & other big time schools, so those subsidies go to help non Revenue Men's Sports & Title IX Sports
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Thanks for proving to the entire board what an idiot you are
You know...you could have walked away from this thread and hid. But no. You had to show everybody that you dishonest and then try to slide stuff by people by saying what you said was "proven facts."
ETA
Oh. And while I am at it....you are just going to ignore that out of the over 1,000 colleges that offer athletics only about 50 of them actually make money?
But then, you didn't read my links, did you?
Here's some advice. Walk away from the thread or I will show more links that call you a liar.
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:41 pm to CNB
Read thru the comments
They clearly have racial undertones to them
Coaches majority white , get to benefit from a free market
Broadcast Media that cover CFB & MBB are majority white, they get to benefit from a free market
Players majority BLACK, don't get to benefit from a free market despite providing the Entertainment
You think all that I listed above is just one big rare coincidence?
Don't be naive
Some posters have stated as long as they're not starving what's the big deal like the players are indentured servants or something
You HONESTLY don't think there's any racial angle to any of this, none at all?
Start at 1492 and pay close attention to American history
They clearly have racial undertones to them
Coaches majority white , get to benefit from a free market
Broadcast Media that cover CFB & MBB are majority white, they get to benefit from a free market
Players majority BLACK, don't get to benefit from a free market despite providing the Entertainment
You think all that I listed above is just one big rare coincidence?
Don't be naive
Some posters have stated as long as they're not starving what's the big deal like the players are indentured servants or something
You HONESTLY don't think there's any racial angle to any of this, none at all?
Start at 1492 and pay close attention to American history
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:42 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Your initial comments had the tenor & undertones that your precious Athletic Fees or Activity Fees when your Kids go to college would subsidize these greedy, entitled Revenue Sport athletes that ARE INDEED majority Black at the big money schools that the new California Law is targeting
Dude. You have no idea what you are talking about. My kids have been out of school for almost 10 years. that was another poster.
"Hey look at me! I'm a GT fan and I'm smart!"
quote:My kids are out and did not take on debt. I paid for their school
In summary, suburban white male schmucks like yourself are angry, bitter, and jealous that Black Athletes already on full rides have the potential to cash in more than they already do while your Kids will either take on massive DEBT, or deplete your bank accounts to graduate from college
Man, you are one assuming, schmarmey schmuck, you know that?
Is there anything you know anything about?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:45 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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You HONESTLY don't think there's any racial angle to any of this, none at all?
Believe it or not....not everything has a racial undertone to it. besides, genius...if they pay football players they will have to pay all the athletes. An you yourself are trying to make the point that there are more white Title IX white athletes. Kind of shoots a hole in your racial baiting, doesn't it?
Crap. Liberals think all they have to do to win an argument is call racial bias.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:47 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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Players got full schollies before the major TV deals, you could go all the way back to the 40s if you wanted to
Fast fwd to 2019, the players "share" hasn't increased at all, they still get full schollies despite the massive TV Deals that have injected BILLIONS into the College game, everyone has shared in those BILLIONS based on Admin & Coaching salaries
You do know that every time your company makes more money they are not legally nor morally required to give workers a bigger share?
And yes, their share has gone up. Are you under the impression that the cost of tuition has remained stagnant? Food? medical care? Insurance?
Wow.....everything cost the same as it did in the 1940's.
And you call a post like that "well thought out."
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:49 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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layers majority BLACK, don't get to benefit from a free market despite providing the Entertainment
They absolutely do. Tuition costs are different at tons of schools. It cost more to go to Duke, GT, Stanford, and many other schools and the education at those schools is more valuable. Those players can go to any school that offers them a scholarship.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:49 pm to roadGator
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Hell, just pay them and stop making them attend classes that many of them shouldn't even be in. Stop pretending.
Give them a football certificate at the end of their collge pro career and be done with it.
I agree. Let them major in "football" or "sports training" or some shite. Those that wish to go for business, engineering, or nuclear physics can still do so if they desire.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:52 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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You think all that I listed above is just one big rare coincidence?
Don't be naive
Another stupid post.
Is it a coincidence that those are industries are dominated by white people. no. The racial makeup of the country is heavily skewed towards white. So, no. Just because a decision doesn't sit well, does not give you the right to assume that it is race based just because whites outnumber blacks.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 5:53 pm to DawgsLife
They might not keep Athl Dept monies separate, but this is a FACT, at the P5 Colleges + a few others about 75 Colleges total the revenue sports RUN AT A SURPLUS based on the financials, Baseball usually breaks even based on the financials
What that means for folks like you that can't think and conceptualize is that the FEES from the Students that go to the Athl Dept SUBSIDIZE those sports that operate AT A DEFICIT, these are ALL the TITLE IX SPORTS, and the non revenue Men's Sports
Just because the money isn't physically separated for idiots like you doesn't mean the money isn't used to subsidize those sports that operate at a deficit
Being able to link to something on the internet isn't a replacement for basic intelligence
What that means for folks like you that can't think and conceptualize is that the FEES from the Students that go to the Athl Dept SUBSIDIZE those sports that operate AT A DEFICIT, these are ALL the TITLE IX SPORTS, and the non revenue Men's Sports
Just because the money isn't physically separated for idiots like you doesn't mean the money isn't used to subsidize those sports that operate at a deficit
Being able to link to something on the internet isn't a replacement for basic intelligence
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