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re: What prevents Urban Meyer from telling a kid
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:05 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:05 pm to OBUDan
I'm probably a bit of an idealist, and I understand that oversigning goes on at a lot of schools, but I'd rather the coaching staff never accept more than 25 LOIs. Hell, even taking 22-24 a year still puts you in the position of needing some attrition, and you still don't have to tell some kid that has the talent to play at many D1 schools (and potentially start at some) that he is going to have to sit out a semester after gearing up for his first year on a college campus with a full ride.
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Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
What prevents Less Miles form telling a recruit, hey coach crying myers may or may not resign, can't quite make up his mind, you are such a looser and have a bad memory. myers comes out and tells his team he's quitting then changes his mind a couple of days later. quit bashing miles putz, he's our coach and not perfect but who is
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:33 pm to NC2007
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It is ironic how some are worried about Porter being asked to greyshirt at the last moment. However, those that seem worrried the most about his feeling are the ones who bash current players and recruits the most. If you are going to speak up when you perceive a wrong doing then you better shut your mouth went a player does something bad or makes a mistake.
Well, you are wrong. I'm generally on the other side of the fence. In this case, LSU is wrong.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:34 pm to Linkovich
quote:That is the point. No one knows what conversations took place between the coaches and Porter.
Flask,
I'm not for the bashing of coaches or players on this board. I'm pretty sure I've made that evident, but there is no way to spin this in a positive light. I'm really tired of people trying to do it too. If this kid was never made aware of a greyshirt possibility, there is nothing "slightly raw" about this
quote:It sounds like you are just as bad as the posters with a Miles bashing agenda since you have decided this situation is shite without knowing ANY conversations that took place between the parties involved. Just because the player didn't want to grey-shirt does not mean he was not informed that it may be an unlikely possibility.
This is the first and last comment I'll make on this situation because people are using it to push their Miles bashing agenda, but I'm not gonna call the situation pretty pink when it's covered in shite brown either.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:40 pm to XbengalTiger
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It sounds like you are just as bad as the posters with a Miles bashing agenda since you have decided this situation is shite without knowing ANY conversations that took place between the parties involved. Just because the player didn't want to grey-shirt does not mean he was not informed that it may be an unlikely possibility.
Porter himself has said it was the first he was approached about it. Les Miles has already stated that it was a raw deal and wished it hadn't gone down the way it did. Nice try though.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:45 pm to Linkovich
If Miles could handle the recruiting stress from the Ole Miss game.. I think he can handle this.
SFP is just stirring the pot like usual.
SFP is just stirring the pot like usual.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:45 pm to NC2007
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It is ironic how some are worried about Porter being asked to greyshirt at the last moment. However, those that seem worrried the most about his feeling are the ones who bash current players and recruits the most.
I noticed that as well.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:47 pm to moneyg
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It is ironic how some are worried about Porter being asked to greyshirt at the last moment. However, those that seem worrried the most about his feeling are the ones who bash current players and recruits the most.
This is pretty much it in a nutshell. What was it Maximus said..? That it's okay for him to call for players being cut, etc. But it's not okay for Miles to actually do it?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 1:25 pm to bmy
Well this didn't turn out how he (SFP) wanted....
Posted on 8/5/10 at 1:27 pm to bmy
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It is ironic how some are worried about Porter being asked to greyshirt at the last moment. However, those that seem worrried the most about his feeling are the ones who bash current players and recruits the most.
I think it's ironic that the people who think it's not that bad what happened to Porter are mostly the ones who flip their shite when in-state kids don't choose LSU or switch their commits.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 1:42 pm to tigerguy121
The kid was granted a full release if he so chooses to go elsewhere.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 1:51 pm to Mikeno
Does it strike anyone else as blown out of proportion to spend this much time on the subject?
By the coaches evaluation Porter was apparently the 26th or 27th most important player of the class... IF that's an accurate projection he wouldn't be with the team in three years anyway... he'll have stopped playing or transferred to another school where he could play
Obviously we all hope he stays and plays very well for the team - but through one sort of attrition or another college football teams obviously do not retain 25 plus kids per signing class
By the coaches evaluation Porter was apparently the 26th or 27th most important player of the class... IF that's an accurate projection he wouldn't be with the team in three years anyway... he'll have stopped playing or transferred to another school where he could play
Obviously we all hope he stays and plays very well for the team - but through one sort of attrition or another college football teams obviously do not retain 25 plus kids per signing class
Posted on 8/5/10 at 2:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
This situation has basically trashed Les' "Higher Moral Guy" stance. Whether right or wrong, they will now say that Les, like other coaches, is fork-tongued salesman that will mislead you to get you to sign and there is no guarantee your scholarship offer to start in the fall is legit EVEN if you sign your LOI.
This is all about perspective, and LSU fans have paraded Miles as some guy that is morally higher than others. He's lost that now, whether justified or not. This situation is very different from cutting a kid out of a class right after signing day. VERY different, and that seems to be what people are ignoring.
It is now going to come down to Les' winning and player development as far as judging him to many, and the last couple of years haven't separated him from guys like Nutt, Petrino, Richt, etc. and he is definitely behind Saban and Meyer in those categories the past 2 years.
This is all about perspective, and LSU fans have paraded Miles as some guy that is morally higher than others. He's lost that now, whether justified or not. This situation is very different from cutting a kid out of a class right after signing day. VERY different, and that seems to be what people are ignoring.
It is now going to come down to Les' winning and player development as far as judging him to many, and the last couple of years haven't separated him from guys like Nutt, Petrino, Richt, etc. and he is definitely behind Saban and Meyer in those categories the past 2 years.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 2:28 pm to LSUMafia
Not only did we handled Porter wrong...but aren't we over-signed for next year already by 7 cuz we only have 9 SRs.. And I cant see any other JR going pro beside PP
We have 16 verbals right now and most likely sign 22-25 players in a banner year.. So that 7 will go up with the more we sign.. So its safe to safe we will see a lot of "attrition/grey shirts" next year as well
We have 16 verbals right now and most likely sign 22-25 players in a banner year.. So that 7 will go up with the more we sign.. So its safe to safe we will see a lot of "attrition/grey shirts" next year as well
Posted on 8/5/10 at 2:30 pm to LSUMafia
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What prevents Urban Meyer from telling a kid
This situation has basically trashed Les' "Higher Moral Guy" stance. Whether right or wrong, they will now say that Les, like other coaches, is fork-tongued salesman that will mislead you to get you to sign and there is no guarantee your scholarship offer to start in the fall is legit EVEN if you sign your LOI.
This is all about perspective, and LSU fans have paraded Miles as some guy that is morally higher than others. He's lost that now, whether justified or not. This situation is very different from cutting a kid out of a class right after signing day. VERY different, and that seems to be what people are ignoring.
It is now going to come down to Les' winning and player development as far as judging him to many, and the last couple of years haven't separated him from guys like Nutt, Petrino, Richt, etc. and he is definitely behind Saban and Meyer in those categories the past 2 years.
LSUMafia,would Florida or Bama been in SECCG with Jefferson at QB?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 2:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
Les can say, "I get qualified kids. If you're not qualified, LSU will get you there and guarantee your scholly until you are qualified."
Millions of dollars are at stake. Les offering Porter a grayshirt was the right thing to do for the program. I feel bad for Porter, but somebody had to take the fall. Oversigning is not the right thing to do for the individual that gets the short end of the stick, but it IS the right thing to do for the program. Les is paid to do the right thing for the program, not an individual recruit.
If LSU suddenly loses top-notch recruits because of this, it will obviously contradict my assertion. But by next signing day, this will probably not even be a dust mite on the recruiting radar screen.
In recruiting, the objective is to get 25 new players to suit up every year. The best way to do this is to make 27 kids feel like they are the greatest, most-needed player ever in the history of football. Once a kid buys into that, Urban Meyer can say whatever he wants, and it won't matter.
Millions of dollars are at stake. Les offering Porter a grayshirt was the right thing to do for the program. I feel bad for Porter, but somebody had to take the fall. Oversigning is not the right thing to do for the individual that gets the short end of the stick, but it IS the right thing to do for the program. Les is paid to do the right thing for the program, not an individual recruit.
If LSU suddenly loses top-notch recruits because of this, it will obviously contradict my assertion. But by next signing day, this will probably not even be a dust mite on the recruiting radar screen.
In recruiting, the objective is to get 25 new players to suit up every year. The best way to do this is to make 27 kids feel like they are the greatest, most-needed player ever in the history of football. Once a kid buys into that, Urban Meyer can say whatever he wants, and it won't matter.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 2:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:09 pm to ottothewise
What prevents any coach in the nation telling a recruit who is a commit not to go on a visit to Florida, because Coach Urban Meyer will just tell the kid that God says he should play for Florida and will completely frick with the kids head?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:40 pm to tigerguy121
Hey tigerguy121 - I have never said one bad word about a player, a recruit or a LA recruit that leaves the state. I think Porter got the short end of the stick, but this is the way it is. It is not perfect, but there were 5-8 guys we were worried about making the grades. Porter is not being asked to leave the program, he is just being asked to wait 4-5 months before he can join the team. He will not see the field this year anyway, it will be like he is an early graduate and enroll in January...
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:40 pm to Tigerbait337
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because Coach Urban Meyer will just tell the kid that God says he should play for Florida and will completely frick with the kids head?
I had forgotten that. What a sleaze.
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