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re: What is the biggest FBS win of BK’s career?
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:30 pm to wadewilson
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:30 pm to wadewilson
Being picked to lose big games over and over isn't a badge that should be worn proudly.
But I get your point.
But I get your point.
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Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:37 pm to wadewilson
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So again, how can you say he's a bad post-season coach
Because he has never won a single P5 conference championship game, new years 6 bowl, BCS championship game, or playoff game.
And I don’t care if they were underdogs or not. Because he was the freaking coach. If they were underdogs it was his fault. And if he is consistently an underdog, then Vegas doesn’t think he is much of a post season coach either.
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:54 pm to captdalton
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Because he has never won a single conference championship game, new years 6 bowl, BCS championship game, or playoff game.
Oh, so you moved the goalposts.
You're still wrong.
Kelly won 5 conference titles at Grand Valley State, won the MAC once, won the Big East twice, and sorry to spoil this for you, but Notre Dame doesn't play for conference titles in football.
As for NY6 bowls, yeah Notre Dame is always picked to lose.
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And I don’t care if they were underdogs or not. Because he was the freaking coach. If they were underdogs it was his fault. And if he is consistently an underdog, then Vegas doesn’t think he is much of a post season coach either.
OOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRR - hear me out here - maybe Vegas has always picked his Notre Dame teams to lose because they can see the talent differential between the Rhodes Scholars on his teams and the half-wit, inbred whiskey tango foxtrot retards on the Clemson and Alabama teams they kept pairing him against.
Frankly, I'm excited to see him get a full recruiting cycle of bringing in the same kind of turd-brained athletic phenoms that he normally has to coach against.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:57 pm to meansonny
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Being picked to lose big games over and over isn't a badge that should be worn proudly.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 2:04 pm to wadewilson
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maybe Vegas has always picked his Notre Dame teams to lose because they can see the talent differential between the Rhodes Scholars on his teams and the half-wit, inbred whiskey tango foxtrot retards on the Clemson and Alabama teams they kept pairing him against.
LSU fans blow the recruiting at Notre Dame way out of proportion.
It isn't as difficult as it is made out to be. That is why the new coach for the Irish has a better 2023 class than BK ever signed at ND.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 2:14 pm to meansonny
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That is why the new coach for the Irish has a better 2023 class than BK ever signed at ND.
He's losing that class.
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LSU fans blow the recruiting at Notre Dame way out of proportion.
It isn't as difficult as it is made out to be.
Notre Dame gets top 15 classes.
LSU is capable of regular top 5 classes.
And beyond that, there is a huge talent differential where it matters more.
ND has done well with offensive line and TE. LSU does better with every other position.
Plus, LSU is just way more devoted to its athletic department as a whole.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 2:20 pm to wadewilson
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Oh, so you moved the goalposts.
In this thread?! No way!
Posted on 12/15/22 at 2:22 pm to Sun God
Normally, the "shite on BK" threads aren't even worth reading, much less giving an intelligent retort, but it's a slow work day, and this is more entertaining than organizing old files.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 2:37 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:Jimbo went 9-4 his first year at A&M.
So you're saying he's already hitting his average despite LSU being in the first year of a rebuild?
That seems good.
That seemed good.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 2:43 pm to Murph4HOF
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Jimbo went 9-4 his first year at A&M.
That seemed good.
Oooohhhhh, I can play this game.
Saban went 8-4 in his first year at LSU.
Ed Orgeron went 9-4 in his first year at LSU.
Kirby Smart went 8-5 in his first year at Georgia.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 2:56 pm to Uga Alum
Uga fans obsession with Kelly over the last few weeks has been…strange
Posted on 12/15/22 at 3:33 pm to diddlydawg7
Here's a question. Do you think their "year of experience" is why they won at LSU OR do you think it was the fact that they were finally at a school where they could finally field NFL talent in abundance?
For instance, Saban was just another coach at Mich St. who's claim to fame was beating Michigan maybe twice. Miles was at Okie St. and had beat Oklahoma a couple times. Orgeron had failed miserably at Ole Miss and finished on a good note as interim HC at USC. However, after shortly after becoming HC's at LSU, they looked like great coaches.
BK could never beat Saban and is criticized for not winning the "big" games. Yet, he's never fielded equal talent at ND as Saban has had at Bama. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, hasn't Kirby beat Saban only once? And wasn't that a game where Bama was without both of their starting WR's? BK takes the LSU job, then proceeds to beat Bama in his 1st year. Clearly Bama was still the more talented team this season, so that says something about his ability to coach.
UGA has always had talent and Kirby has 1 win against Saban. I get it, UGA is currently the king of the hill. But let's not act as if this is the norm OR has been sustained for a decade or so. Kirby is a good coach and UGA is definitely at the top right now. But unless you've constantly been at or near the top for at least a decade or so, it really doesn't mean much. UGA is about to enter Clemson territory, a program that came on and won a couple titles, had some very good years but now where are they? From 2000 - 2011 LSU and Florida battled for supremacy. UGA was getting crushed by UF basically every year and was a none factor. From 2011 to last year was basically Bama alone in the SEC. So basically, the last 22 years or so has been Bama, LSU, UF, wand Auburn sprinkled in that have held the banner for the SEC. UGA appears to have taken over but it's only been for 2 years. Check in around 2030 and let's see what Kirby has really accomplished.
For instance, Saban was just another coach at Mich St. who's claim to fame was beating Michigan maybe twice. Miles was at Okie St. and had beat Oklahoma a couple times. Orgeron had failed miserably at Ole Miss and finished on a good note as interim HC at USC. However, after shortly after becoming HC's at LSU, they looked like great coaches.
BK could never beat Saban and is criticized for not winning the "big" games. Yet, he's never fielded equal talent at ND as Saban has had at Bama. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, hasn't Kirby beat Saban only once? And wasn't that a game where Bama was without both of their starting WR's? BK takes the LSU job, then proceeds to beat Bama in his 1st year. Clearly Bama was still the more talented team this season, so that says something about his ability to coach.
UGA has always had talent and Kirby has 1 win against Saban. I get it, UGA is currently the king of the hill. But let's not act as if this is the norm OR has been sustained for a decade or so. Kirby is a good coach and UGA is definitely at the top right now. But unless you've constantly been at or near the top for at least a decade or so, it really doesn't mean much. UGA is about to enter Clemson territory, a program that came on and won a couple titles, had some very good years but now where are they? From 2000 - 2011 LSU and Florida battled for supremacy. UGA was getting crushed by UF basically every year and was a none factor. From 2011 to last year was basically Bama alone in the SEC. So basically, the last 22 years or so has been Bama, LSU, UF, wand Auburn sprinkled in that have held the banner for the SEC. UGA appears to have taken over but it's only been for 2 years. Check in around 2030 and let's see what Kirby has really accomplished.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 4:16 pm to ellis197575
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Check in around 2030
Will I find les miles and Ed orgeron when I check in around 2030?
Posted on 12/15/22 at 4:37 pm to meansonny
Is that supposed to be some kind of burn?
Posted on 12/15/22 at 4:38 pm to wadewilson
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sorry to spoil this for you, but Notre Dame doesn't play for conference titles in football.
They did once
Posted on 12/15/22 at 4:40 pm to wadewilson
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Kelly won 5 conference titles at Grand Valley State, won the MAC once, won the Big East twice
He's wrong but he said championship game.
Kelly has won one of these in FBS - 2006 MAC.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 4:44 pm to jonnyanony
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He's wrong but he said championship game.
I don't give a good frick what he said. If he can move the goalposts from Kelly being a horrible post-season to "oh, I actually meant that hes just bad in NY6 bowls", I can do that too.
He's still frickin' wrong.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 4:45 pm to Colonel Ingus
Oh, wow, look at that.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:05 pm to wadewilson
I will admit he had great success as a division II coach. But I would have thought we could all agree that the level of competition at Grand Valley State is not in any way comparable to the level of competition at Notre Dame or LSU. Without even having to specify it. I would think we could try to compare apples to apples instead of apples to lug nuts. But this thread has proven me wrong. Arguing that his success in division II means he is a great coach is the same as arguing that a college player should be a college All American based on his high school stats. Or arguing an NFL player should be in the NFL hall of fame based on what he did in college. Brian Bosworth says hello. Performance at one level does not always translate to the next level. Otherwise, no 5* recruit would ever flame out. And no good college coach would ever be a mediocre NFL coach. I mean, if I had a nickel for every post around here about how bad Saban sucked as an NFL coach, I would be posting from my own private Caribbean island.
Kelly’s post season success at Grand Valley State definitely did not follow him up the ladder to division I. I mean, it is what it is. The results do not lie. Spin them how you like. I have said maybe he gets over the hump at LSU. In multiple posts. But until he does, it is not at all rational to argue that he is a good post season coach (and for clarity, I mean in terms of power 5 division one football; not division two, three, high school or pop warner football).
He is a good coach. And we have a ton of history to base that on. We also have a ton of history to see that in twenty years of big boy football (again, we are talking Div. 1, not pop warner), his biggest achievement is a division title. Maybe he will have great success at LSU.
But this thread was about what, in a 20+ year career, is his biggest win. And right now it is a toss up between a regular season game against Clemson or a regular season game against Alabama.
Kelly’s post season success at Grand Valley State definitely did not follow him up the ladder to division I. I mean, it is what it is. The results do not lie. Spin them how you like. I have said maybe he gets over the hump at LSU. In multiple posts. But until he does, it is not at all rational to argue that he is a good post season coach (and for clarity, I mean in terms of power 5 division one football; not division two, three, high school or pop warner football).
He is a good coach. And we have a ton of history to base that on. We also have a ton of history to see that in twenty years of big boy football (again, we are talking Div. 1, not pop warner), his biggest achievement is a division title. Maybe he will have great success at LSU.
But this thread was about what, in a 20+ year career, is his biggest win. And right now it is a toss up between a regular season game against Clemson or a regular season game against Alabama.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 10:09 pm to captdalton
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But this thread was about what, in a 20+ year career, is his biggest win. And right now it is a toss up between a regular season game against Clemson or a regular season game against Alabama.
So whether he's a good coach or a great coach depends on 1 game? Did your parents have any children that lived.
He brought Notre Dame back from the dead. Who gives a flying sucklefrick if he couldn't beat one of the half dozen best teams in the country when he had national merit semifinalists as wide receivers and corner backs.
I care what he's going to do at LSU, and in year 1 he took 38 scholarship players and turned them into an SEC West winner, knocking Alabama out of the playoff on the way.
Put that in your cock-shaped pipe and smoke it, you fagotmagnet.
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