re: Weis supporting Stoops - let's actually do the "numbers" comparison.

Nah.
Actually, my attitude is probably more accurately characterized as couldn't really care less, rather than your word choice of "butthurt."
Just don't think it helps us. And I'm not interested in interacting with their titty baby, whiny fans any more.

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I wasn't questioning calling it a rivalry.

I was questioning the fact that he picked WVU to win.

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I totally missed that, it didn't even enter my mind that someone would pick WVU to beat USC.

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I wasn't questioning calling it a rivalry.

I was questioning the fact that he picked WVU to win.

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Huh? Where did I pick WVA to win? I wouldn't do that.

With regard to it being an old OOC rivalry though, it's sort of strange. We played them in our first bowl, and lost. (They had our future HC coaching them, Jim Carlen, and his OC was Bobby Bowden who absolutely fooled us by changing offenses before the game. Then we won out first bowl against them, the Car Quest Bowl. Plus we've played a Thanksgiving Night game against them, putting them after the Clemson game ... a true rarity. We've actually played them 12 times, with one tie, going all the way back to 1939 when we played them, in of all places, Orangeburg, SC (now home to SC State).

Eta: Oh, I get it now. ugasickem picked WVA over SC. I see that, totally missed it the first time around. Yeah, well, you see, that's the only SEC team he picked against ... but we do not have a rivalry with UGA. SC vs UGA is not a rivalry game for them, dontcha know. ;)

Fricking mutts, some of them have their heads so far up their asses that they cannot see that we're actually starting to agree with them. It can't be much of a rivalry when we keep kicking their asses in everything year after year. Good gosh, their baseball team, this past weekend, was pathetic. ugasickem is just venting some of his frustrations.

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BTW - SEC wins every match up you pose.

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See, I think so too and I was trying hard to not be biased. I even accounted for the possibility of a couple of upsets, but then I started thinking in terms of if the same two teams played nine out of ten times ... every which way I looked at it the SEC comes out on top, by far.

Stoops and Weis must really have their jimmies rustled. But I get the whole Stoops thing, he has pride and all that. But Weis' comments are just a joke. Now, if Bill Snyder were to say ... nah, nevermind, that'll never happen. Snyder has too much smarts and is too classy. Bo Pelini, he might but he'd be stupid as hell to do it considering his record against the SEC in bowls. Mack Brown, I don't see him agreeing with Stoops publicly about anything, nor do I see him really agreeing with what Stoops said honestly.

I dunno. It is going to be interesting to see if any other Big 12 coaches come-out in support of Stoops. Weis had to be the worst one to agree though.

Speak for yourself. I prefer to let them rot in the little 12. We don't need to give them the exposure by playing them.

The argument is beyond stupid. Stoops our worst teams are better than your worst teams. Okay so the frick what.

The entire thing is ridiculous IMO....I get that head coaches have to stand up for their programs and conferences...a number of those teams have great histories and their conferences have great histories, and they are defending them when they say these things...

It's also coach-speak you'd expect to hear as well....that whole "This Is Sparta!", "I Am Spartacus!" bullshite where you never say die even to the end. Spit in Fate's eye, that whole thing. I get that too....

But if you also ask those very same head coaches what the primary goals are for each football season, the responses have always been the same: for many, it's to have winning seasons and go to bowl games. For those that are better, it's to compete for their conference championships. For the few that are better still, it's to contend for the national championship.

That's ultimately what every college football team strives for, at every tier level. To play in the national championship bowl, to go through the postseason and play in the national championship game. No HC will tell you differently...

The question that started this nonsense was, did Stoops think that there was some mythical "gap" between other teams and conferences and the SEC. His response was a diversion, a "company line", if you will. But the fact remains that the SEC has the last 7 national championships and 8 of the past 10.

If it was just one SEC team that won them all, then the question wouldn't be properly phrased: conferences wouldn't matter, it'd just be how do we all beat that one juggernault. But 4 different SEC teams have won those 8 titles. So the SEC as a conference has been doing something right...

And it doesn't matter what the bottom half of any conference is doing. That's not what the question was in reference to. EVERYONE PLAYS FOR THE GOLDEN RING.....not to finish 5th, 6th, or 7th in their respective conference. Oklahoma does, Ohio State does, Kansas does.

So the question put forth to "Big Game" Bob wasn't really addressed after all. Everyone is now focusing on what he said in response, as if it ever mattered. The SEC still has 7 straight and 8 of the last 10.....

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I dunno. It is going to be interesting to see if any other Big 12 coaches come-out in support of Stoops. Weis had to be the worst one to agree though.

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Has Weis even won a Big 12 game?

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If it was just one SEC team that won them all, then the question wouldn't be properly phrased: conferences wouldn't matter, it'd just be how do we all beat that one juggernault. But 4 different SEC teams have won those 8 titles. So the SEC as a conference has been doing something right...

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To drive home the point and sort of put the shoe on the other foot, you don't hear the SEC saying they are the greatest basketball conference in the country simply because we have one school that is a juggernaut in basketball. We acknowledge UK basketball for what it is but don't claim the rest of the conference is something it is not, though with UF's success, an argument could be made.

I also don't buy the bottom tier teams are better. kU is absolutely the worst fricking program in major college sports.

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I agree 100%. It was deflection management on Stoops' part, at least I think that is your bottom line? Weis is just trying to get into the spotlight as if his opinion matters - which it does not.

Where I think Stoops is all butthurt, and I suspect many coaches outside of the SEC are feeling the same way, is in how the SEC is portrayed as the "Best Conference, top to bottom, in the Country," by most of the sports media. I think Stoops may be concerned that, not only are fans and media starting to believe as much, but also prospects, potential recruits.

Stoops stands to be hurt by A&M in the recruiting wars immediately, and possibly by Mizzou and Arkansas in the very near future. He's seeing his recruiting grounds shrinking and he is simply being territorial with his comments.

In the meantime the SEC will be shooting for eight in a row and it has to be the rest of the Country's worst nightmare to think that South Carolina, Georgia, or A&M could be the next in line to win a MNC before the playoffs start in 2014. If that were to happen, and I hope it does, then it is no longer a debatable subject for anyone - especially if South Carolina were to win it all, as unlikely as that might be in the minds of some. Georgia could. A&M, that too would be the dagger in the hearts of the Big 12 and everyone else around the country IMHO. Anyone but the usual suspects in the SEC, would mentally devastate the rest of the college football world to the point where they may all lose hope.