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Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:11 pm to gamecockman12
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Bama has losses to OU and Vanderbilt. South Carolina beat both of those schools by 3+ touchdowns.
South Carolina lost to LSU at home. Alabama beat them by 30.
South Carolina scored in the last 30 seconds to beat Missouri at home. Alabama beat them by 30.
It's pretty easy to go round and round on this.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:12 pm to momentoftruth87
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Feel bad for SC
FIFY
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:12 pm to oleyeller
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Lost to garbage non ranked lsu at home
And got demoloshed by ole miss. And lost to bama (both who are which begging for a spot in playoffs) sc dont have a foot to stand on for the last spot
You lost to fricking Arkansas. LSU/Bama/Ole Miss all went 5-3 in SEC play. None of those are bad teams.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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South Carolina lost to LSU at home. Alabama beat them by 30.
South Carolina scored in the last 30 seconds to beat Missouri at home. Alabama beat them by 30.
It's pretty easy to go round and round on this.
All of South Carolina losses are to teams who went 5-3 in SEC play. Two of Bama losses are to teams who went 2-6 and 3-5 in SEC play.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:15 pm to WW
Likely a combination of them winning the ACC. Which is a lock spot in the top 4.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:19 pm to gamecockman12
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All of South Carolina losses are to teams who went 5-3 in SEC play. Two of Bama losses are to teams who went 2-6 and 3-5 in SEC play.
South Carolina lost to Alabama on the road and to LSU and Ole Miss at home.
Alabama beat LSU on the road. Alabama beat South Carolina at home. Alabama also beat Georgia at home, who is better than anybody in this discussion.
Alabama has better wins than South Carolina overall and beat them head to head and all 3 of their losses were on the road.
Alabama has 1 "good" loss (@ Tennessee) and 2 "bad" losses (@ OU, @ Vandy). South Carolina has 2 "good losses" (@ Bama, Ole Miss) and 1 "ok" loss (LSU at home).
You can try and pretend that the thing that makes you look best is the defining and only thing that matters, but it isn't, and it's silly. There is no slam dunk case for either team.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:19 pm to gamecockman12
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You lost to fricking Arkansas. LSU/Bama/Ole Miss all went 5-3 in SEC play. None of those are bad teams.
And we only have 2 loss. Whats your point? There is a reason we are in playoffs and the 3 loss teams are trying to figure out if they are going to citrus bowl or pop tart bowl.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:22 pm to momentoftruth87
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Smoke more meth Gump boy
Aren’t you the dude that admitted to smoking weed in front of his toddler/s?
If so, your jab seems misplaced. Perhaps a mirror is in order. Or is it covered in coke?
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:25 pm to Hussss
They need just to go back to a championship game and throw away the playoffs
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama has 1 "good" loss (@ Tennessee) and 2 "bad" losses (@ OU, @ Vandy). South Carolina has 2 "good losses" (@ Bama, Ole Miss) and 1 "ok" loss (LSU at home).
LSU is not an "ok" loss. They're just outside of the Top 25. They're 5-3 in conference play. They're an above average SEC team by that metric.
All three teams have legitimate arguments.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:26 pm to oleyeller
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And we only have 2 loss. Whats your point? There is a reason we are in playoffs and the 3 loss teams are trying to figure out if they are going to citrus bowl or pop tart bowl.
Because you had a much easier schedule.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:27 pm to DawginSC
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These odds will change a lot once the pre-CCG playoff rankings come out.
Other than SMU, these teams don't play another game. While teams that lose or win might move around them, it would be tough to see why the teams that are done would move much amongst themselves.
Maybe Bama/Ole Miss would be influenced a little by UGA and SC based on Clemson. But I think whatever the order of the teams not playing after Wednesday won't be changing after the championship games.
USC fans want Clemson and Texas to win.
It's their best chance.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:29 pm to gamecockman12
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LSU is not an "ok" loss. They're just outside of the Top 25. They're 5-3 in conference play. They're an above average SEC team by that metric.
Exactly. LSU has the same SEC record as all these bubble teams in the conference, and actually beat a couple of them. But SOG is right, you can make an argument for whoever you want to.
It goes back to the "eye test," in other words, completely subjective criteria.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:30 pm to gamecockman12
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LSU is not an "ok" loss. They're just outside of the Top 25. They're 5-3 in conference play. They're an above average SEC team by that metric.
If LSU at home is a good loss then beating LSU on the road by 30 is clearly a very, very good win then, yes?
If so, then Alabama has 2 wins that are clearly better than any of Carolina's (@ LSU, vs UGA). I'd feel confident arguing that at worst cancels out the 2 worse loss argument. Then you are looking at how they performed against Missouri, each other, Tennessee/Ole Miss, etc.
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All three teams have legitimate arguments.
I think all 3 in reality have legitimate hopes. None are "deserving", but I guess that just comes down to recalibrating what "deserving" means in the age of a 12 team playoff. Nobody would be getting screwed if they got left out between the 3 of us, IMHO.
I think the most egregious move would be to put Miami in given that they have both the not great losses and absolutely zero good wins.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:31 pm to gamecockman12
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Bama has losses to OU and Vanderbilt. South Carolina beat both of those schools by 3+ touchdowns. After a 2-point loss at Alabama. That will carry some weight.
Bama beat LSU by a million and SC shat the bed against LSU
The transitive property doesn’t work in CFB, and it’s not a relevant factor for the committee.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:31 pm to gamecockman12
When the resumes of two teams are so close you have to argue that your loses weren’t quite as bad, then head to head matters even more than normal.
Alabama and USC have identical records. Alabama has arguably worse losses. But they also have better wins. Advantage = draw
Alabama has better metrics (SoS, SoR, efficiencies). Advantage = Alabama
Alabama won the head to head. Advantage = Alabama
It was a very close game. Had USC won I think they would win the argument and be in front of Alabama. But they didn’t.
No matter who the committee chooses, there are going to be three or four pissed off fan bases instead of one or two like in years past.
Alabama and USC have identical records. Alabama has arguably worse losses. But they also have better wins. Advantage = draw
Alabama has better metrics (SoS, SoR, efficiencies). Advantage = Alabama
Alabama won the head to head. Advantage = Alabama
It was a very close game. Had USC won I think they would win the argument and be in front of Alabama. But they didn’t.
No matter who the committee chooses, there are going to be three or four pissed off fan bases instead of one or two like in years past.
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:34 pm to captdalton
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there are going to be three or four pissed off fan bases instead of one or two like in years past.
But on the flip side, more like in basketball with the bubble, there isn't a fanbase who would have true righteous anger that they did everything they could and didn't get a shot (like FSU last year, for example).
You can argue that your case was best out of the flawed pool of candidates, but none of us (or the others in contention) can argue much more than that. We've all had flaws during the year that normally would clearly exclude us from a championship tournament.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:34 pm to gamecockman12
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Because you had a much easier schedule.
Pretty sure we beat bama. Yall had them
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:36 pm to gamecockman12
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LSU is not an "ok" loss. They're just outside of the Top 25
They are an unranked loss, just like Oklahoma and Vanderbilt. But they are a bowl eligible team, just like Vanderbilt and Oklahoma.
At the end of the day, the committee is likely going to categorize wins and losses that way; to non-bowl eligible teams; to unranked bowl eligible teams, to top ranked 25 teams, to top 10 ranked teams.
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