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re: USA Soccer Coach Takes a Shot at American Sports
Posted on 7/8/26 at 5:41 pm to magildachunks
Posted on 7/8/26 at 5:41 pm to magildachunks
quote:There isn't a single WBC that we've let our absolute best roster compete unhindered, especially pitching. This isn't a good argument. Our starting pitcher in the most recent final was a bullpen guy that hasn't even made an all-star team.
Our national teams came in second in Baseball in the last world competition
quote:The starting QB for that team at one point was a 0 star recruit playing at Mt. San Jacinto college. Please cut the disingenuous bullshite. You could send exclusively SEC freshmen to that competition and sleepwalk to gold.
American Football internationally: Japan slaughtered our u20 team in the most recent tournament for American Football 41-20. We didn't even place.
This post was edited on 7/8/26 at 5:56 pm
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Posted on 7/8/26 at 5:55 pm to Drewbie
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There isn't a single WBC that we've let our absolute best roster compete unhindered, especially pitching. This isn't a good argument. Our starting pitcher in the most recent final was a bullpen guy that hasn't even made an all-star team.
If all of our best athletes are playing Football, Basketball, and Baseball and all of the rest of the world's best athletes are playing soccer (according to y'all's argument) then their second tier athletes are better at our sports than our "best " athletes.
How many of the players on the other teams would even make a bullpen in the MLB? They still beat us.
In fact, there have been 6 WBCs. The US has only won one. Japan has won 3. The best finish for the US in the first three WBCs was a fourth place in the second.
Basketball constantly fails in International tournaments. European Basketball has surpassed American Basketball.
Football is trending the same way.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 6:01 pm to magildachunks
quote:Every pitcher on Venezuela's roster but two was on an MLB roster and they weren't even the most MLB heavy non-US team in the tournament. The pitcher that closed the final for them is currently the main closer for the Chicago Cubs. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
How many of the players on the other teams would even make a bullpen in the MLB?
quote:And, again, we have literally never sent even close to our actual best team to compete in the tournament. Even when the team owners do allow the stars to compete, there are major restrictions on their usage. Skenes was allowed to compete, but limited to only one 50 pitch start. Same with Skubal.
In fact, there have been 6 WBCs. The US has only won one. Japan has won 3. The best finish for the US in the first three WBCs was a fourth place in the second.
Literally every single example competition you gave is the US sending 2nd or even 3rd tier athletes of the sport to compete. Then you turn around and say Europe has surpassed the US in basketball when the US literally just went undefeated in the Olympics and won gold when actually sending their best.
This post was edited on 7/8/26 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 7/8/26 at 6:11 pm to GamecockUltimate
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Youth soccer is huge, but it is expensive as hell.
Which is ridiculous.
Soccer just requires a ball to play.
Somehow America found a way to make one single requirement expensive.
Every other country in the world has soccer being played in it's poorest slums. The US made it to where soccer can only be played in Suburbia.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 6:24 pm to Wildcat1996
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Think about college football with this system in-place. You go a couple of seasons without being competitive in the CFP eligible league, someone else gets their shot and you go down to the lower level.
Match every P5 with a G5. For example: SEC with Sunbelt. Bottom two teams in SEC get relegated to SUnblet and top two Sunbelt Promote to SEC.
Relegated SEC teams may only last one season in Sunbelt before promoting back up, but it would make everything more interesting. App State being promoted to SEC and finishing above teams like Arkansas, Vandy, State, and Kentucky would be a boom for that program. And then you give a reason for the teams at the bottom something to actually play for towards the end of the season..
Could you imagine an egg bowl where one or both of State and Ole Miss would be relegated with a loss? Or Aggy needing to defeat Texas to avoid relegation?
The sport would be better for it.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 7:19 pm to magildachunks
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magildachunks
You're delusional. And as Drewbie has demonstrated, you're ignorant at best, but more likely just full of shite.
The SEC doesn't need relegation. The NFL doesn't need relegation. No other nation couid ever field a national team of grown arse men that would ever compete with an SEC championship team.
We're never going to be on Europe's level in soccer. But again, it has nothing to do with a "loser mentality" in American sports that this foreigner journeyman coach claimed on his way to another job.
I have to assume it's a bunch of bitter soccer fans in this thread that are defending the coach's baseless accusation. If he would have limited it to "US soccer" he might have a point. But instead, he called out the competitiveness of every American who plays, or has ever played, sports in this country.
I repeat, frick HIM
Posted on 7/8/26 at 8:56 pm to Capn_Bevo
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. But again, it has nothing to do with a "loser mentality" in American sports that this foreigner journeyman coach claimed on his way to another job.
He never said we had a "loser mentality". In fact, he instilled on the USMNT that they needed to take on the mentality that America is known for: We're better than everyone else, and we back it up.
What he said was we reward the losers in our sports. And he's right. The teams that finish at the bottom are rewarded with better draft positions. That's not a punishment, it's a reward.
In other leagues around the world, the worst teams are punished with relegation, not a better opportunity than the winners.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 9:06 pm to magildachunks
He might have made some sense if he kept his comments about his particular sport. There's little evidence to support him, or you, otherwise.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 9:16 pm to Capn_Bevo
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There's little evidence to support him, or you, otherwise.
Here's your evidence:
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The draft order is determined based on the previous season's standings; the teams with the worst win–loss records receive the earliest picks. Teams that qualified for the NFL playoffs select after non-qualifiers, and their order depends on how far they advanced, using their regular season record as a tie-breaker. The final two selections in the first round are reserved for the Super Bowl runner-up and champion.
Posted on 7/8/26 at 10:47 pm to Capn_Bevo
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The SEC doesn't need relegation. The NFL doesn't need relegation.
All sports w/o relegation would improve with relegation.
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