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re: Urban Meyer Below Average Coach
Posted on 7/13/09 at 9:14 pm to wildrebeltime
Posted on 7/13/09 at 9:14 pm to wildrebeltime
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TOM, let me say something to get us on the same page. I know I've said it before and I'll probabaly have to say it again.
Meyer won at lower levels b/c defenses were not recruited to, were not trained or coached or developed to stop what he was doing. It is a smoking mirrors offense. It is like the run and shoot. Eventually it gets figured out. The better SEC coaches have already figured out how to stop it but right now Tebow is buying Meyer's time b/c he's a worldclass QB. The next guy won't be that good. The question is how does Meyer adjust?
Who is his new OC? does this guy have experience in a pro-style offense? It takes several years for a HC to gain experience in being able to operate that type of offense at a high level. It's sort of like learning to be a doctor. You can go to school and graduate but chances are if your this guys patient you'd rather him have 10 years experience instead of a few months.
Meyer has survived on something that is NOT GOING TO WORK WITHOUT TIMOTHY TEBOW AT THE LEVEL FLORIDA IS SUPPOSE TO WIN AT. That is why I am telling you right now when Tebow is gone if Meyer don't go with him he will fail just like Zook unless he's turning it over to an OC with years of experience with it. And by that I mean recruiting particular players, particular offseason and inseason conditioning and alot of other things that are different than what he's done.
I realize you are doing this for fun and to stir the pot but this is still retarded.
The only team in the SEC that has a winning record against Meyer while at Florida is Auburn the rest are split or losing records to him.
Meyer's offense is getting better along with his defense. The talent he is stockpiling while at Florida is amazing and will continue to be a team to beat in the SEC if not THE team to beat.
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Posted on 7/13/09 at 9:31 pm to rangers911
yea and Auburn does not have the same potential Florida does. There is no excuse for Meyer to have a losing record to Auburn.
But that is not my point about it. I understand novices are "WOWED" at his national championship rate. I understand he wins more than the average SEC program. My point is he is winning b/c of Tim Tebow. Whatever Florida's standard of success and happiness is will not be met when he is gone, and that is b/c Meyer is a BELOW AVERAGE SEC coach.
But that is not my point about it. I understand novices are "WOWED" at his national championship rate. I understand he wins more than the average SEC program. My point is he is winning b/c of Tim Tebow. Whatever Florida's standard of success and happiness is will not be met when he is gone, and that is b/c Meyer is a BELOW AVERAGE SEC coach.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 9:35 pm to wildrebeltime
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My point is he is winning b/c of Tim Tebow.
He has used Tim Tebow as his starting QB for two years. He has won at Florida without Tebow, at Utah without Tebow, and at Bowling Green without Tebow.
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and that is b/c Meyer is a BELOW AVERAGE SEC coach.
You toss out every fact and pull out speculation to support this assertion and then deem every skeptic a "football novice". Fail.
This post was edited on 7/13/09 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 7/13/09 at 9:43 pm to Ross
yea and I've already stated why I don't put alot of stock in what happend in a conference that had never seen a spread offense before.
Meyer will win games. He won't lose. But he won't win as much without Tebow b/c Tebow is what makes that offense go. He's extremely efficient in passing, extreme threat to run, and extremely tough when he gets hit hard. There will never be another Tebow.
Zook was 6-2, 6-2 and 4-4 in conference. Meyer will be in that range right there when Tim is gone.
Meyer will win games. He won't lose. But he won't win as much without Tebow b/c Tebow is what makes that offense go. He's extremely efficient in passing, extreme threat to run, and extremely tough when he gets hit hard. There will never be another Tebow.
Zook was 6-2, 6-2 and 4-4 in conference. Meyer will be in that range right there when Tim is gone.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 9:47 pm to wildrebeltime
So how do you explain 2006 without Tebow?
Posted on 7/13/09 at 10:02 pm to rangers911
looks to me like he had tebow. hoss.
2006 Florida Gators
Rushing
through 01/08/20072008 2007 2006 2005 2004
Name Yr Pos G Att Yards Avg. TD Att/G Yards/G
1 DeShawn Wynn SR RB 14 143 699 4.89 6 10.21 49.93
2 Tim Tebow FR QB 14 89 469 5.27 8 6.36 33.50
3 Percy Harvin FR WR 13 41 428 10.44 3 3.15 32.92
4 Kestahn Moore SO RB 14 54 282 5.22 2 3.86 20.14
5 Jarred Fayson FR WR 12 14 126 9.00 1 1.17 10.50
6 Andre Caldwell JR WR 14 21 102 4.86 1 1.50 7.29
7 Mon Williams FR RB 8 13 101 7.77 0 1.63 12.63
8 Chris Leak SR QB 14 77 30 0.39 3 5.50 2.14
9 Jemalle Cornelius SR WR 14 4 20 5.00 0 0.29 1.43
10 Markus Manson SO RB 11 4 15 3.75 0 0.36 1.36
11 Butch Rowley SO OL 9 1 3 3.00 0 0.11 0.33
12 Brandon James FR RB 13 3 1 0.33 0 0.23 0.08
13 Tim Higgins SR WR 1 1 0 0.00 0 1.00 0.00
14 Eric Wilbur SR P 13 1 -2 -2.00 0 0.08 -0.15
15 Team 14 10 -34 -3.40
2006 Florida Gators
Passing
through 01/08/20072008 2007 2006 2005 2004
Name Yr Pos G Att Comp Pct. Yards Yards/Att Int TD Rating Att/G Yards/G
1 Chris Leak SR QB 14 365 232 63.6 2942 8.1 13 23 144.93 26.1 210.1
2 Tim Tebow FR QB 14 33 22 66.7 358 10.8 1 5 201.73 2.4 25.6
3 Andre Caldwell JR WR 14 1 1 100.0 5 5.0 0
Tebow is what made the offense go.
2006 Florida Gators
Rushing
through 01/08/20072008 2007 2006 2005 2004
Name Yr Pos G Att Yards Avg. TD Att/G Yards/G
1 DeShawn Wynn SR RB 14 143 699 4.89 6 10.21 49.93
2 Tim Tebow FR QB 14 89 469 5.27 8 6.36 33.50
3 Percy Harvin FR WR 13 41 428 10.44 3 3.15 32.92
4 Kestahn Moore SO RB 14 54 282 5.22 2 3.86 20.14
5 Jarred Fayson FR WR 12 14 126 9.00 1 1.17 10.50
6 Andre Caldwell JR WR 14 21 102 4.86 1 1.50 7.29
7 Mon Williams FR RB 8 13 101 7.77 0 1.63 12.63
8 Chris Leak SR QB 14 77 30 0.39 3 5.50 2.14
9 Jemalle Cornelius SR WR 14 4 20 5.00 0 0.29 1.43
10 Markus Manson SO RB 11 4 15 3.75 0 0.36 1.36
11 Butch Rowley SO OL 9 1 3 3.00 0 0.11 0.33
12 Brandon James FR RB 13 3 1 0.33 0 0.23 0.08
13 Tim Higgins SR WR 1 1 0 0.00 0 1.00 0.00
14 Eric Wilbur SR P 13 1 -2 -2.00 0 0.08 -0.15
15 Team 14 10 -34 -3.40
2006 Florida Gators
Passing
through 01/08/20072008 2007 2006 2005 2004
Name Yr Pos G Att Comp Pct. Yards Yards/Att Int TD Rating Att/G Yards/G
1 Chris Leak SR QB 14 365 232 63.6 2942 8.1 13 23 144.93 26.1 210.1
2 Tim Tebow FR QB 14 33 22 66.7 358 10.8 1 5 201.73 2.4 25.6
3 Andre Caldwell JR WR 14 1 1 100.0 5 5.0 0
Tebow is what made the offense go.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 10:05 pm to wildrebeltime
So 89 Rushing attempts... 14 games = 6.3 attempts a game
And 33 passing attempts... 14 games = 2.3 attempts game
yet that made offense go?
Are you really this stupid or are you pretending?
And 33 passing attempts... 14 games = 2.3 attempts game
yet that made offense go?
Are you really this stupid or are you pretending?
Posted on 7/13/09 at 10:06 pm to wildrebeltime
Tebow completed a whopping 22 passes that year. Chris Leak was the starting QB; and that offense was more than capable without Tebow and you damn well know that.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 10:08 pm to Ross
are you kidding me? Tebow played less than 15% of the time yet he is the one that won all of those games?
clueless.
clueless.
This post was edited on 7/13/09 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 7/13/09 at 10:19 pm to Ross
nope. you guys are mistaken. Tebow was another dimension to the offense. Where else does a QB complete 66% of thier passes and also average over 6 yards per carry? for 89 carries in 14 games? That's what 6 per game? that means he inserted Tebow in short yardage situations basically as a wildrebel player/fullback who could pick up 1 or 2 yards. A team could not overpopulate the LOS b/c he established himself a 66% completion rate.
So, like I said , when Tebow is gone Meyer's offense will turn to UNDERACHEIVE LEVELS.
So, like I said , when Tebow is gone Meyer's offense will turn to UNDERACHEIVE LEVELS.
Posted on 7/13/09 at 10:27 pm to wildrebeltime
If I'm reading the statistics correctly; in 2006 Tebow accounted for 6.36 rushing attempts per game and 2.4 passing attempts per game.
Sorry; doesn't sound that integral to me.
Sorry; doesn't sound that integral to me.
This post was edited on 7/13/09 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 7/13/09 at 10:46 pm to wildrebeltime
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nope. you guys are mistaken. Tebow was another dimension to the offense. Where else does a QB complete 66% of thier passes and also average over 6 yards per carry? for 89 carries in 14 games? That's what 6 per game? that means he inserted Tebow in short yardage situations basically as a wildrebel player/fullback who could pick up 1 or 2 yards. A team could not overpopulate the LOS b/c he established himself a 66% completion rate.
So, like I said , when Tebow is gone Meyer's offense will turn to UNDERACHEIVE LEVELS
To continue on my path of dispelling ignorance and darkness from the world I'll respond to your retarded post.
The only game Tebow had any significant contribution in was the loss to Auburn in 2006 where Florida LOST the game, just to get that in again. Again Tennessee Tebow had some runs none for a TD, same with Bama, In the LSU game Tebow threw 2 TDs and ran for 1.
This post was edited on 7/13/09 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 7/14/09 at 12:28 am to wildrebeltime
Care to tell us what mistakes he's made in close games? Care to point to the times when he hasn't properly managed a clock in a close game? Almost every game the Gators played in the '06 season was a close game yet they won the SEC championship and then the national championship. How many mistakes of any kind could Meyer have been making? But we'll wait for you to give us examples of the clock management and other mistakes that Meyer has made.
Posted on 7/14/09 at 12:46 am to gatorgreg
WRT. You're about the biggest dumb arse I've ever seen on a message board ever. I've actually witnessed a guy post his password to his account on rivals. You're worse than that. You're a clueless poser who doesn't realize it yet. That makes you incredibly dangerous. Mostly to yourself.
Tebow didn't make the offense go in 06. He was a utility player. That's it. What made the team *GO* in '06 was the defense. What other explanation would there be for the total dismantling of the Heisman winning offense that year? Not to mention the complete domination of Darren McFadden.
In 07 UF lost 4 games. If Tebow was *that* pivotal you have to explain that one to me. Is it because Tebow doesn't play defense?
This year, again, one of the main reasons we won the NC was leadership on both offense and defense. How else do you explain the dismantling of the most prolific offense in NCAA history? Tebow still didn't play defense.
I love Tebow and think he's one of the best players ever to put on a Gator uniform and agree, to an extent, that UF may suffer a bit when he leaves this year. But to suggest that a man who turned around two programs before he got to UF without Tebow is going to somehow turn into Ed Orgeron is just ludicrous.
His track record speaks for yourself. If you're so blinded by you're own opinion that you don't let facts get in the way that you form your opinions then I have nothing really to argue with you about. You probably also believe that we didn't land on the moon...
Tebow didn't make the offense go in 06. He was a utility player. That's it. What made the team *GO* in '06 was the defense. What other explanation would there be for the total dismantling of the Heisman winning offense that year? Not to mention the complete domination of Darren McFadden.
In 07 UF lost 4 games. If Tebow was *that* pivotal you have to explain that one to me. Is it because Tebow doesn't play defense?
This year, again, one of the main reasons we won the NC was leadership on both offense and defense. How else do you explain the dismantling of the most prolific offense in NCAA history? Tebow still didn't play defense.
I love Tebow and think he's one of the best players ever to put on a Gator uniform and agree, to an extent, that UF may suffer a bit when he leaves this year. But to suggest that a man who turned around two programs before he got to UF without Tebow is going to somehow turn into Ed Orgeron is just ludicrous.
His track record speaks for yourself. If you're so blinded by you're own opinion that you don't let facts get in the way that you form your opinions then I have nothing really to argue with you about. You probably also believe that we didn't land on the moon...
Posted on 7/14/09 at 1:47 am to wildrebeltime
When Tebow is gone Meyer's team will turn into "UNDERACHIEVE [sic] LEVELS?"
How do you know?
How do you know?
Posted on 7/14/09 at 7:00 am to gatorrocks
28 points allowed against them is not totalling dismantling them.
Yes, in 06 Tebow although he didnt play as much as Leak was a huge situational player. If Tebow is not there that program is proabaly not in the SECCG. It's probabally more like 5-3 like the year before. In 05 before Tebow got there Meyer was 5-3 in conference and that is where Florida will average with Meyer as a coach, which is underacheiving for Florida,
LOL@gatorrcocks for the "dismantling of Oklahoma" dude, their offense is racked up in an offensive conference where alot of teams run the spread. Florida barely won to a program that has a far weaker recruiting base. Both offenses were sloppy in that game and that is b/c both defenses were very good and all they had was the spread that won't work at a high level. That's why you saw a sloppy game. That's why you saw alot of confusion on both offenses. That's why you saw both QB's who normally line up and call the play after to look over to the sidelines and delay the game b/c they are confused b/c the defense is threatening blitzes and different cover schemes from all directions.
I'm not saying he's going to turn into Orgeron, just Ron Zook.
Yes, in 06 Tebow although he didnt play as much as Leak was a huge situational player. If Tebow is not there that program is proabaly not in the SECCG. It's probabally more like 5-3 like the year before. In 05 before Tebow got there Meyer was 5-3 in conference and that is where Florida will average with Meyer as a coach, which is underacheiving for Florida,
LOL@gatorrcocks for the "dismantling of Oklahoma" dude, their offense is racked up in an offensive conference where alot of teams run the spread. Florida barely won to a program that has a far weaker recruiting base. Both offenses were sloppy in that game and that is b/c both defenses were very good and all they had was the spread that won't work at a high level. That's why you saw a sloppy game. That's why you saw alot of confusion on both offenses. That's why you saw both QB's who normally line up and call the play after to look over to the sidelines and delay the game b/c they are confused b/c the defense is threatening blitzes and different cover schemes from all directions.
I'm not saying he's going to turn into Orgeron, just Ron Zook.
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:16 am to wildrebeltime
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28 points allowed against them is not totalling dismantling them.
they gave up 14 points to Ohio State and they gave up 14 points to the #1 offense in 2008, that is dismantling them
they held the OSU offesne to 82 yards, what would you consider dismantling?
This post was edited on 7/14/09 at 9:18 am
Posted on 7/14/09 at 9:17 am to wildrebeltime
Urban> Everyone else
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Posted on 7/14/09 at 10:10 am to usc6158
WRT- The problem with your agurment is that it is pure speculation on whether UM will be successfull without Tebow or not. For now UM is clearly one of the best coaches, if not the best coach in college football, which can be proven by those things that you obviously do not know much about called FACTS and STATISTICS. So UM may fail when Tebow leaves, but that cannot be proven until that happens. So until that day do us all a favor and STFU.
This post was edited on 7/14/09 at 10:13 am
Posted on 7/14/09 at 10:27 am to wildrebeltime
Maybe reading comprehension isn't in the bag for you. Arkansas scored 28 points. McFadden had a total of 75 yards against UF and 0 TD's. The previous 5 games he had a total of 829 yards and 7 TD's in rushing. Holding him to 75 yards and 0 TD's is pretty much domination.
I never said UF dismantled Arkansas. I said UF dismantled OU and OSU. Those are facts...
I find it funny that you mention the Big 12 offense when one of the offenses in that league scored 34 points and racked up 450 yards of offense on Ole Miss. Surely there is something there for their offense. Obviously it didn't help them win.
By your account Mississippi "barely" beat TT. I mean it was only 12 points.
Meyer went 5-3 in conference in 07 as well (With Tebow). That's weird... You still need to explain that to me. It couldn't have been the defense could it?
I never said UF dismantled Arkansas. I said UF dismantled OU and OSU. Those are facts...
I find it funny that you mention the Big 12 offense when one of the offenses in that league scored 34 points and racked up 450 yards of offense on Ole Miss. Surely there is something there for their offense. Obviously it didn't help them win.
By your account Mississippi "barely" beat TT. I mean it was only 12 points.
Meyer went 5-3 in conference in 07 as well (With Tebow). That's weird... You still need to explain that to me. It couldn't have been the defense could it?
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