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re: UNLV QB quits immediately over NIL

Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:45 am to
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
11510 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:45 am to
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It’s going to be totally awesome when they don’t have anywhere to go because all the programs are shut down or have gone the D3/Ivy League route.

Yeah, because that will happen...
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15247 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:45 am to
Just reading this thread some of yall are clueless on how NCAAF football works in 2024.

He is claiming he had an NIL deal and they aren't fulfilling their obligation to the agreed deal. I actually agree with the kid. Everyone has NIL deals now. If what they agreed to pay you and what they are paying you isn’t the same then this is your only move. This is on the school.

If your school is in the SEC they are making these deals with every player on your roster. If your school stopped paying your players would do the same. This is the world we live in now.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 7:49 am
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
11510 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:49 am to
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As someone else pointed out, he has a completion percentage of under 50%.

If I hire a contractor who just shows up when he wants and does shitty, substandard work you can bet your arse I am not paying him the originally agreed upon amount until he makes it right.
If his contract was contingent on performance, fine. But that is currently not allowed. So odds are his contract was just to be on the team.

FYI, the team is undefeated, the PAC 10 is begging them to join, and most UNLV fans are ecstatic with his and the team's and the overall athletic department's performance right now. Spirits and donations could not be higher. This comes from family UNLV fans on the ground in Vegas.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 7:05 am
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
24709 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:49 am to
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How many college sports programs do you think operate in the black?


Barry Odum is making 1.75 million to coach UNLV this year. Add in the other coaches and it’s likely close to 4 million to the coaches. If they don’t make money, they should shut down the program.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 6:51 am
Posted by Victor R Franko
Member since Dec 2021
767 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:50 am to
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They are not employees.

Maybe, Maybe not, says U.S. Appeals court. Test would be needed for determination. If not now, soon to be employees.
ESPN article on appealss court decision

Let's assume the player is a Contractor for arguments sake. What would be the contract?
Contract would be to sell shirts, or a roof promotion, or endorses "Mamma's Tacos" or face on a charity, etc. In other words Name, Image, or Likeness. Contract is not to throw TD passes or run for 1,000 yards or anything football performance related. I would assume this "Contractor" had a contract in writing to talk at hospitals, or endorse a service, give weekly interviews, or something like that with a payment schedule of amounts and dates. Reading between the lines, I suspect the player was promised the world but didn't have it in writing. The people that made all the big promises are now crawfishing on the payments. Easy to believe now that nothing was written up and all talk of big money.
If this is the case, the player should have told them to put it in writing before entering the first game. I bet he played the first few games in good faith naively expecting and anticipating the check coming as he's been doing well for the team. Check hasn't come, so the only thing he has to sell, himself and on field performance has to be withheld. OTOH, if he's been giving the interviews and selling the soap, he should be compensated. This is why I think no contract in writing is in place.

Until more information comes out, I'm in the QBs corner on this one, with the exception of not getting it in writing, knucklehead move. Seems like UNLV and other teams have loose cannon boosters promising on what they can't deliver.
These players need Agents or Lawyers reviewing their "Contracts" on NIL.
Posted by Summer of Jimbo
Amateur Statistician
Member since Oct 2022
2265 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:52 am to
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Just reading this thread some of yall are clueless on how NCAAF football works in 2024.

He is claiming he had an NIL deal and they aren’t fulfilling their obligation to the agreed deal.


Thank you I don’t think anyone here understood until you explained it .








You idiot.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
14819 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:53 am to
You would think that after the Quinshon Judkins fiasco where he just kept coming back to Ole Miss trying to extort them for more money, that an Ole Miss fan of all people would realize there are usually two sides to every story.

But you would be wrong.
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
6282 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:53 am to
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Imagine being such a gaping pussy that you quit on your team in the middle of the season because you got your fee-fees hurt.


You need to adjust your thought process. They aren’t college students any more. They are mercenaries who are paid to do a job. If they don’t get paid, they don’t do the job, just like any other field. You think an NFL player would keep playing if the team stopped paying his salary? Would you keep working if your employer stopped paying you? We don’t know the facts here, but if he is truthful about not receiving his pay, who can blame him?
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
27661 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:55 am to
I saw some of the Kansas game and his receivers dropped a lot of passes.
Posted by BigScoreboard
Member since May 2021
1607 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:56 am to
College athletics is dead. It’s over.
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I don't see how this kills college athletics. What if he broke his leg? Kinda the same deal. It might hurt the UNLV team, but it doesn't affect all of college football one bit.
Posted by Summer of Jimbo
Amateur Statistician
Member since Oct 2022
2265 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:58 am to
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who can blame him?


Some of y’all are missing the subtlety in ‘not understanding why it happened’ and ‘not liking that it happened’. This thread is not about why he left, we get it. Its about college football as we know it being dead.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6102 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:59 am to
It’s all good until only 6-10 teams are actually competitive for anything. Then the goose’s eggs will become significantly less golden.
Posted by Tiger_Claw
Little Rock, AR
Member since Nov 2013
6270 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:00 am to
Lot of boomers in this thread. He didn’t receive the money that was owed to him. Would you work your job for free?
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
11510 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:00 am to
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A) Yes I hate modern CFB. It’s minor league NFL without contracts
B) The feds have shot down every single attempt to reign in the NIL situation. They’re going to force them to be university employees with collective bargaining power (aka unionized).
A) Yet you still watch it and argue with strangers on the internet about it

B) What attempts to reign it in have "the feds" shot down? No one has sued to "reign it in", just the opposite. NCAA has fought tooth and nail to not involve "the feds".

And why should they? Why should "the feds" limit how much anyone can make in exchange for their work?

They are employees in every practical sense. It is absurd to deny them the option to unionize and collectively bargain, if that is what they choose.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 7:08 am
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
17475 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:02 am to


They recruited the kid with an NIL deal. He went to UNLV for the NIL deal. He enrolls, practices + plays, does not receive the NIL. This is breach of contract. UNLV and their boosters caused this, not the QB.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 7:03 am
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
20279 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:03 am to
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If your school stopped paying your players would do the same

There is a reason Rashada isn't at UF
Posted by Victor R Franko
Member since Dec 2021
767 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:05 am to
I agree with you BigS, College football isn't broken, the contracting and regulation of NIL is not following through in a professional and legal manner.
IMO, these contracts should be 1 year durations and of course in writing. Kid plays or doesn't, he gets paid for signing autographs, or interviews, or whatever his NIL contract is. If he refuses to play his contract is up after one year. I'd kick him off the team immediately once he refuses to play, then see who wants to buy his jersey, or autograph, or whatever. In addition, I'd be very cautious as a future team to sign up this guy.

Edit, I would make dang sure that a clause was in his contract about refusing to play. Instant termination of contractual obligations for all parties, and everyone goes their separate ways, and NO payments to continue.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 7:08 am
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
14819 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:05 am to
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If they don’t make money, they should shut down the program.


Should all college sports programs that don’t generate a profit be shut down?

Who is Winning in the High Stakes Game of College Athletics?

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Even as commercial revenue streams have grown for top-billing football and men's basketball, athletic expenditures exceed revenues at the vast majority of schools. In 2019, only 25 of 130 schools in the high-grossing Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) whose members are large, mostly public universities (with some exceptions such as Notre Dame, Northwestern, and Stanford) reported positive net revenues (see here). In fact, the median athletic program in FBS in 2019 (the last pre-pandemic year) had an operating deficit of $18.8 million. The same was true in the other two Division I subdivisions: among the 125 schools of the Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) the median program ran a deficit of $14.3 million, and in DI without football (94 schools) it was of $14.4 million. Large and persistent athletic department deficits lead schools to increase student athletic fees (many exceed $1000 per student yearly) and contribute to increases in tuition. As the cost of attending college rises, so does student debt which reached a record of over $1.6 trillion in the United States in 2021.


Depending on the source, only 12-18% of all college athletic programs turn a profit. The rest lose money. Should all of those programs be shut dowm?
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
24709 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:11 am to
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Should all college sports programs that don’t generate a profit be shut down?


Up to the people being forced to subsidize those that lose money (boosters, taxpayers, students).

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Depending on the source, only 12-18% of all college athletic programs turn a profit. The rest lose money. Should all of those programs be shut dowm?


Wouldn’t bother me if they were. But if their state is willing to keep subsidizing it, boosters willing to keep donating, and students willing to keep funding it via “athletic fees” then keep going I guess. I don’t think schools like Georgia State, UNLV, or dozens and dozens of others should keep playing D1 football. In a nation awash in debt (personal and govermental) it seems like a huge waste of resources.
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
6036 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:12 am to
It's not like his decision impacts all the other players or anything
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