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re: UF QB Treon Harris investigated for sexual assault, UF Statement in OP
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:49 pm to ocelot4ark
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:49 pm to ocelot4ark
To sum up the MRA argument: A football player's (or man of any kind) reputation is more important than a rape accusation. Sometimes, people lie. We should be more concerned about a potential lie than a potential rape. Because what if the alleged victim is lying? Wouldn't that be so hard on the player? The accused sexual assailant should live his life "business as usual" until definitive proof is discovered.
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:51 pm to bbap
Included QB as a part of UF nation...no intent to leave him out.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:51 pm to Loathor
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You just seem to be jumping to the "False rape accusation!!"
Then you SEEM to be fricking retarded. Acknowledging that both false rape accusations and rape actually occur is what necessitates the need for due process.
How anyone could say I'm jumping in one boat or the other is beyond me. I'm saying we should acknowledge that she's entirely capable of lying. We should rely on evidence. Where have I stated otherwise?
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Do some women sometimes get raped? True or False?
Are we going to compare the societal response when women accuse someone to rape, versus the societal response when a man says she's lying? Because that doesn't end very well for your argument. The overwhelming assumption is that the woman is telling the truth. The guy is a rapist. I don't see how anyone could argue that college alleged rapists are anything but guilty until proven innocent.
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Which is more prevalent, rape or false accusations?
What does that have to do with anything? "Sorry sir, we ruined your son's college career because it was more likely that he was a rapist than she was a liar. Because, statistics!?"
Nevermind the fact that there AREN'T great statistics on rape or false rape accusations. The CDC and the Justice Department can't even reconcile their own numbers.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:53 pm to Acadien
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This is UF. How can you forget the swimmers?
Volleyball is my #1 guess except they should have already been on the road to StarkVegas. If it did happen late saturday night and player flew out early, it might explain why no official report till monday.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:59 pm to CBandits82
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We might have a chance
Bring on Driskel!
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:59 pm to Acadien
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A football player's (or man of any kind) reputation is more important than a rape accusation.
Link?
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Sometimes, people lie.
I'm glad you can acknowledge the need for due process.
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We should be more concerned about a potential lie than a potential rape.
No. We should be concerned that an equitable judicial system has a chance to review the evidence and facts before we assume anyone's a rapist.
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Wouldn't that be so hard on the player?
Next thing you'll be telling me that the accused has no right to face his accuser, too.
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The accused sexual assailant should live his life "business as usual" until definitive proof is discovered.
That'd be pretty awesome if it actually worked like that. Pretty impossible if his whole life has already been turned upside down.
You know what alleviates all of this? Just waiting for a criminal investigation that relies on clear and convincing evidence.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:00 pm to ocelot4ark
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Are we going to compare the societal response when women accuse someone to rape, versus the societal response when a man says she's lying?
You think women don't get major backlash when accusing a popular athlete of rape? Because I'm sure Deadspin or some shitty fans aren't trying to fish out her identity as we speak. It's going to be a shitshow for everyone involved.
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I'm saying we should acknowledge that she's entirely capable of lying.
They only thing they've confirmed is that he isn't allowed to participated in team activities. They "could" suspend him from school but nowhere in their statement did they say they have. They can't comment on her end of it, so we have no idea what they're doing with her either.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:05 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Because I'm sure Deadspin or some shitty fans aren't trying to fish out her identity as we speak. It's going to be a shitshow for everyone involved.
Well, if she's a freshman athlete it can't be too hard.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:07 pm to austingator
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I have a nephew who life was ruined because of a false rape accusation. Spent 20 months in jail (had prior MJ arrests), and couldn't afford anything other than public defender. He was declared innocent- the woman had done this before.
My friend who was my roommate in college got his life ruined as well. He hooked up with a girl he didn't know was bat shite crazy and still in love with her ex boyfriend. They had sex and her ex found out so she said she was raped. No charges were ever filed or anything but he was indefinitely suspended from campus and had to explain his suspension on on all his medical school applications. He didn't get into any because of the suspension despite a 4.0 GPA in Biology at UF. Poor dude never hooked up either and the one time he did the girl was insane.
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Now he can't even date women because he is afraid.
Same thing happened to my roommate. He wouldn't even go out to get a beer the guys.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:10 pm to gatorsimz
This thread is proof that this forum is SECW-centric. Had this been LSU, Bama, Auburn, MSU or OM this would be 3,454 pages by now.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:11 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You think women don't get major backlash when accusing a popular athlete of rape? Because I'm sure Deadspin or some shitty fans aren't trying to fish out her identity as we speak. It's going to be a shitshow for everyone involved.
I hope no UF fan posts info or pictures of the accuser/victim.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:11 pm to roadGator
So is Driskel the man again?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:12 pm to Acadien
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sum up the MRA argument: A football player's (or man of any kind) reputation is more important than a rape accusation. Sometimes, people lie. We should be more concerned about a potential lie than a potential rape. Because what if the alleged victim is lying? Wouldn't that be so hard on the player? The accused sexual assailant should live his life "business as usual" until definitive proof is discovered.
MRA, huh? Nice.
And yes, business as usual is almost verbatim with one of the founding principles of criminal justice, you know, "innocent until proven guilty." If a person truly is such, why would they be punished in any way prior to a guilty verdict. Again, if this is going to be the typical response, look for false accusations to happen a lot more.
Of course, sjw women will tell you that false accusations don't happen, that they are complete fiction. I hear it all the fricking time, especially from those who identify themselves as feminists.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:13 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Nah, I've read plenty.
Evidently not.
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He's getting the same "due process" that any other UF student would under their University policy.
I'm generally against universities using their shitty investigative processes to determine any kind of guilt/innocence. I wouldn't trust their work outside of misdemeanors, and even then I would think it's outside their expertise. That's kind of my point. Due process should cover students. You shouldn't have to relinquish your civil rights just because you're on a college campus. And that's exactly what they're doing. LITERALLY, thanks Obama. They use the same legal precedence that is used for civil matters. To me, when you're talking about taking a young persons chance for future success, we should require a higher burden of evidence.
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I've said multiple times in this thread (since we're talking about reading a "fricking word") that it happens. And it should be dealt with if it is a false accusation.
Awesome. We agree. Why did you think I was only in it for the false accusation thing? Was it because I've replied to people that have already cast judgment? I thought it was an American ideal to assume innocence absent proof. By saying that I want to see the evidence, I'm assuming BOTH of them are innocent of their relevant crimes until proven otherwise. How hard is that?
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But you're being an advocate for protecting him and allowing him to be above the University's policy when dealing with a pending sexual assault case.
My comments have nothing to do with Harris or UF. My comments are about how colleges handle investigations and the low burden of proof/absence of due process. I'm advocating for nothing more than due process. I don't know how many other ways I can say it.
UF policy, like most college campuses, is regressive. College campuses aren't equipped to handle investigations. It sounds like UF is at least letting the PD handle it. But once the criminal investigation is over, they'll still do a code of conduct hearing. They'll ignore anything that happened in the criminal investigation. And they'll still have every right to expel him from the university on no basis but her word. I'm aware of at least 16 lawsuits filed in 2014 where male students are suing their universities for expelling them without due process.
So I'm not advocating that we protect him anymore than any other accused. I'm saying we apply a higher burden of proof than a divorce would require when it comes to a young person's life/future. The President of the US, the Department of Education, and the rest of the liberal establishment disagrees.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:13 pm to DoUrden
Well, considering that Treon is out, Grier is redshirting and Skyler Morningwood is goodness awful....YES.
#inJDwedon'ttrust
#inJDwedon'ttrust
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:15 pm to roadGator
Harris made it in just enough to continue the curse of the back up QB. 
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:15 pm to ocelot4ark
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universities using their shitty investigative processes to determine any kind of guilt/innocence. I wouldn't trust their work
outside of misdemeanors, and even then I would think it's outside their expertise
UFPD called in GPD. Tally PD has been contacted too just to tell GPD what not to do.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:16 pm to roadGator
Not reading all of this. Is the young man able to play or not?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:17 pm to Jobu93
Not until it's all cleared up.
ETA: Jail for one of them = cleared up.
ETA: Jail for one of them = cleared up.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 2:19 pm to roadGator
Thank you, sir.
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