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Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:32 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:32 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Not 100% sure, but from what I remember. It seems Ron Zook took over a much better situation after Spurrier. When Comparing things to what Meyer left behind for Muschamp. Depth issues, behavior issues, entitlement issues, and other bad things left by Meyer was a HUGE mess. Maybe even Saban would've had problems and it could've taken years to correct Meyers mistakes. I would think one has to take that into consideration. Plus, Florida's injuries have taken their toll this season. It happens to the best of teams, and if Muschamp keeps up the good recruiting. It won't hurt so bad in a few more years.
Florida gets a QB & serious threats at receiver
They'll be competing for Championship yearly
To early & unfair to give up on Muschamp
Florida gets a QB & serious threats at receiver
They'll be competing for Championship yearly
To early & unfair to give up on Muschamp
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Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:32 am to BoCam2
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It really is surprising. I would have thought that Pease would be a great hire.
If I recall correctly Alabama was very interested in Pease when McElwain left and Alabama was looking for a new offensive coordinate. Pease was considered a home run hire by almost everyone and people believed that Muschamp won a battle with Saban to get him.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 1:39 pm to elposter
I bet Saban is really kicking himself over that now.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 1:57 pm to Beer Bryant
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Zook left a loaded roster
FIFY
Posted on 10/22/13 at 2:10 pm to BoCam2
Chomp has done more with less. He won't get shitcanned
Posted on 10/22/13 at 2:17 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Hire Phillip Montgomery (Baylor) as OC, pay him 7 digits
I have already suggested this.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 2:39 pm to olemc999
I'm sorry but every playermaker we have on our defense is from Meyer's tenure. I think there are maybe two players who aren't (Hargreaves being one). You could -accidentally- have a top ten defense at Florida, he inherited a whole lot on that side of the ball and came up with one of the only times a team has gained 500 yards on us.
As for the offense: It's amazing that a Super Bowl caliber offensive coordinator comes in, leaves our school and then we hire another coordinator and...the exact same offense takes the field. I mean, it's an exact copy aside from a few package differences. I'm sorry, but I don't think hiring a new offensive coordinator is going to do the trick. The trick is going to be: Change the offensive scheme back to the spread until you can get your unit in.
It's really damn simple.
As for the offense: It's amazing that a Super Bowl caliber offensive coordinator comes in, leaves our school and then we hire another coordinator and...the exact same offense takes the field. I mean, it's an exact copy aside from a few package differences. I'm sorry, but I don't think hiring a new offensive coordinator is going to do the trick. The trick is going to be: Change the offensive scheme back to the spread until you can get your unit in.
It's really damn simple.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 2:56 pm to BoCam2
Numbers with no context. That first year of Muschamp's tenure is what's responsible for a lot of those losses.
But that game against Missouri was the worst offensive output post-Spurrier. Muschamp has told the defense they're the firefighters of the team. I think they're tired of being that for 2 straight years.
But that game against Missouri was the worst offensive output post-Spurrier. Muschamp has told the defense they're the firefighters of the team. I think they're tired of being that for 2 straight years.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 3:27 pm to cornhat
Zook inherited a Heisman runner up. Muschamp inherited John Brantley. Muschamp also initiated a change in offensive philosophy (we were still using Demps and Rainey in 2011 after abandoning the spread, for crying out loud); whereas Zook did not. Zook also didn't get us a BCS bowl (although we obviously shite the bed against Louisville). In my mind, Muschamp does not = Zook, but he needs to right the ship with the offense or the groaning from the booster's will get louder.
He says all the right things---"LoS league, blue collar, physical"--but that's not what we are seeing on the field. Our offensive line was downright pathetic against Mizzou and not at all a reflection of Muschamp's talk.
He says all the right things---"LoS league, blue collar, physical"--but that's not what we are seeing on the field. Our offensive line was downright pathetic against Mizzou and not at all a reflection of Muschamp's talk.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 3:34 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I'm sorry but every playermaker we have on our defense is from Meyer's tenure. I think there are maybe two players who aren't (Hargreaves being one).
Roberson and Purifoy were in Champ's first class, although they may have initially recruited to the Meyer regime. Morrison and Fowler were in his 2nd class and Fowler was a signing day flip. As you mentioned Hargreaves was all Champ. Your statement inaccurate.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 3:38 pm to Jorts R Us
The roster failures are more concerning that anything at this point.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:00 pm to roadGator
''although they may have initially recruited to the Meyer regime...'' -- Which is the important aspect of that whole quote.
Easley, Purifoy, Fowler are playmakers. Morrison still has a lot to prove at this point.
Furthermore: That doesn't take away from what I said: You can accidentally land a top ten defense at Florida...
You can't easily give up 500 yards of offense to a team.
Easley, Purifoy, Fowler are playmakers. Morrison still has a lot to prove at this point.
Furthermore: That doesn't take away from what I said: You can accidentally land a top ten defense at Florida...
You can't easily give up 500 yards of offense to a team.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:09 pm to roadGator
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The roster failures are more concerning that anything at this point.
The development of 4 star or better, talent on offense is the real problem. I was looking at the 2012 class.
* D.J. Humphries OL 5 star starter (mediocre at best)
* Jessamen Dunker OL 4 star Never seen him play (he can't be worse than Moore)
* Latroy Pittman WR 4 Star (never seen him do anything productive)
* Kent Taylor TE 4 star (1td in bowl game, never plays)
* Colin Thompson 4 Star TE (no idea)
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:09 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
quote:What? So no credit to Muschamp and the DCs for their defensive coaching?
You can accidentally land a top ten defense at Florida...
Come on. Clearly the offensive side has been lacking in pure coaching. But we know for sure that Muschamp can at least coach defense. Talent alone doesn't net a top 5 defense without coaching.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:11 pm to roadGator
Yup. I wonder if anything would be different had we landed Agholor or Diggs. If not, that's damning.
It's bad enough to have Gilislee on the sidelines for so many years.
It's bad enough to have Gilislee on the sidelines for so many years.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:11 pm to Edearl Watson
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D.J. Humphries OL 5 star starter (mediocre at best) - soft and maybe hurt can't remember
* Jessamen Dunker OL 4 star Never seen him play (he can't be worse than Moore) - not on the roster
* Latroy Pittman WR 4 Star (never seen him do anything productive) - no production
*Kent Taylor TE 4 star (1td in bowl game, never plays) - isn't gaining weight - soft - hurt
*Colin Thompson 4 Star TE (no idea) - hurt
This post was edited on 10/22/13 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:15 pm to roadGator
Maybe we should stop recruiting players that are soft? 
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:15 pm to cornhat
When was the last time we didn't have a top twenty defense? Would there have been any difference in the defensive philosophy if Meyer stayed? Probably not. Our defense has been our strength...when we used to have an offense.
Heck, Meyer did it better with a completely broken center in a spread offense. That's got to speak volumes.
Heck, Meyer did it better with a completely broken center in a spread offense. That's got to speak volumes.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:18 pm to Edearl Watson
Kent and Colin were the #1 and #2 TEs in the country when we landed them.
At some point, we have to look at Derek Lewis too.
At some point, we have to look at Derek Lewis too.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 4:23 pm to roadGator
That 2012 and 2011 offensive recruiting classes may be one of the reasons why our O sucks.
2011
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Mike Blakely 4* rb (gone)
Ju'Juan Story 4* wr (gone)
Jeff Driskel 5* qb (hurt & terrible)
Javares McRoy 4* wr (gone)
2011
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Mike Blakely 4* rb (gone)
Ju'Juan Story 4* wr (gone)
Jeff Driskel 5* qb (hurt & terrible)
Javares McRoy 4* wr (gone)
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