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Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:21 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:21 pm to Irons Puppet
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The key to all of this and a stat that is more relevant, what is the salary of these students after they graduate ? Getting steller HS performers is one thing, converting the mid-level HS performers into actual taxpayers is the primary mission of a University. What does that list look like ?
That is unequivocally false. Engineering universities will by default have higher average salaries than others.
I would posit that a UGA grad now serving as a federal prosecutor for the DOJ (salary ~ 150k) is far more esteemed and successful than an mid-level engineer from Auburn (salary ~150k). The head of a prominent D.C. think tank is surely making less than a middle level engineer, but is certainly more contextually successful.
Moreover, schools like UGA and UF are fully serviced flagship universities that need to provide teachers, nurses, social workers, etc. for their state. As a necessary consequence their average salaries are lower. So no, average income does not measure the value of a university. Identifying as an “engineer school” simply means that you are not the flagship institution nor will you proving the actual leaders of that state.
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Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:22 pm to ClassicCityAlum
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I would posit that a UGA grad now serving as a federal prosecutor for the DOJ (salary ~ 150k) is far more esteemed and successful than an mid-level engineer from Auburn (salary ~150k).
How many UGA grad federal prosecutors are there compared to Auburn engineers?
You shouldn’t base success on 1 or 2 of your graduates
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:23 pm to ClassicCityAlum
Graduation rates are a much better indicator of smart students, IMO.
Sadly,
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The University of Georgia's football GSR rate is the second-worst graduation rate in all of Power 5 football, behind only Oklahoma State University.
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Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:24 pm to Irons Puppet
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Makes you wonder what would happen if the Hope Scholarship dries up.
We’ll still have “hirer” scores?
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:25 pm to Sunbeam
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Eh, and I'm reading this on a computer, and you wrote it on another one, and transmitted your message across the internet which... And this morning you probably took a shower, the water was moved to you over a piping system - Ok, you know where I am going with this. Then you had your cornflakes...
What an absurd argument. You wrote that post in the English language. Is English literature thus the most important discipline? See how assassine that argument is. Your entire world is run by non-engineers (politicians, CEOs, military leaders, lawyers, etc.).
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:27 pm to ClassicCityAlum
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What an absurd argument. You wrote that post in the English language. Is English literature thus the most important discipline
The English language existed before it was possible to get a B.A. in it.
Can you say the same of transistors before we had physicists?
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:29 pm to texag7
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How many UGA grad federal prosecutors are there compared to Auburn engineers? You shouldn’t base success on 1 or 2 of your graduates
Considering that there are a set finite amount of federal prosecutors in the country, one would suspect that there are less Feds than engineers.
My point is that those who reach the top positions in their field (which I thought was clearly explained in the flagship v. engineering university juxtaposition) may not invariably claim a higher salary. It is not based on “one or two graduates.”
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:30 pm to ClassicCityAlum
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A&M is laughable
The average A&M grad at mid career salary makes almost $20,000 more than the UGA grad
A&M has top 5 nationally engineering and business schools
Despite having to accept the top 10% due to law, A&M as a whole has much higher ranked programs than UGA and generally is ranked higher as a University.
If a kid wants to attend UGA and on average make $20,000 less that is ok too. They can always lean back on this thread to make themselves feel better
This post was edited on 5/4/19 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:30 pm to ClassicCityAlum
Only 5 schools produce more Fortune 500 CEOs than Texas A&M
Did not see UGA listed
Also your insinuation that engineers cannot become CEOs of major corporations is hilarious. The CEO of the largest public oil company in the world is an engineer and A&M grad. The CEO of Apple has an Auburn undergrad engineering degree
Did not see UGA listed
Also your insinuation that engineers cannot become CEOs of major corporations is hilarious. The CEO of the largest public oil company in the world is an engineer and A&M grad. The CEO of Apple has an Auburn undergrad engineering degree
This post was edited on 5/4/19 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:33 pm to ClassicCityAlum
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Thankfully, raw statistics reveal where the actual smart kids go.
Smart kids wouldn't waste their money like this.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:37 pm to Ross
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Hope they are choosing majors that will make them actual real world money some day.
Financial success is not always a measure of intelligence. Some of the least intelligent people I know make money. Often a person with a low IQ can do the same thing over and over, while a person of high intelligence gets bored with repetition.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:38 pm to ClassicCityAlum
Everybody with half a brain knows that UGA is a far better school academically than A&M. It’s not even close. UF at least can make a case of being close, but literally no one is more impressed by a degree from A&M than a degree from any other run of the mill SEC university
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:40 pm to ClassicCityAlum
A&M is brought down because of rapid expansion that we don’t need. Kind of disappointing.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:45 pm to ClassicCityAlum
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That is unequivocally false. Engineering universities will by default have higher average salaries than others.
I would posit that a UGA grad now serving as a federal prosecutor for the DOJ (salary ~ 150k) is far more esteemed and successful than an mid-level engineer from Auburn (salary ~150k). The head of a prominent D.C. think tank is surely making less than a middle level engineer, but is certainly more contextually successful.
Moreover, schools like UGA and UF are fully serviced flagship universities that need to provide teachers, nurses, social workers, etc. for their state. As a necessary consequence their average salaries are lower. So no, average income does not measure the value of a university. Identifying as an “engineer school” simply means that you are not the flagship institution nor will you proving the actual leaders of that state.
That is a bullshite answer to the question. How many of those esteemed judges does UGA produce ? Your one judge doesn't equate to 50 engineers. Then you have to ask the question, who better serves society, that one judge or those 50 engineers who work for NASA or other Government agencies ?
Another BS answer relates to full serviced flagship universities. Just about every SEC School provides those same degrees. Your comment about actual leaders to the state is more BS, look at what AU has provided to the Nation:
Tim Cook- Apple CEO
Adm Mike Rogers-NSA Director
Jimmy Wales-Wikipedia founder
AU Astronauts-Mattingly, K Thornton, Hanry Hartsfield, James Voss.
Military Leaders-Lloyd Autin, Hugh Shelton, Holland Smith and most of the AF Leadership__
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:47 pm to texag7
Claiming a post is “bullshite” does not merit an actual Rebuttal. The point differentiating engineer schools from flagships completely passes muster, considering that the vast, vast, vast majority of UF and UGA grads do not pursue money making careers in finance or engineering.
Also, you just criticized the mentioning of anecdotal alumni success, and then proceeded to name all anecdotal success stories.
The final point is this:
Auburn and A&M both have SAT and GPA standards far below UGA. You are by definition an inferior school. Any salary discrepancies are a direct result of the fields that your college feeds into. Auburn will always be a backup to UGA, and A&M will always be a backup to UT-Austin. End of story.
Also, you just criticized the mentioning of anecdotal alumni success, and then proceeded to name all anecdotal success stories.
The final point is this:
Auburn and A&M both have SAT and GPA standards far below UGA. You are by definition an inferior school. Any salary discrepancies are a direct result of the fields that your college feeds into. Auburn will always be a backup to UGA, and A&M will always be a backup to UT-Austin. End of story.
This post was edited on 5/4/19 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 5/4/19 at 12:50 pm to ClassicCityAlum
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They do NOT have to produce professions such as social workers and teachers,
Today we learned A&M does not have a College of Education
Posted on 5/4/19 at 1:00 pm to texag7
The next Aubarn or A&M jackass that tries to identify salary statistics as proof of career success will prove the ultimate "case in point." Thank you all for exemplifying first-hand the inability of engineering grads to engage reading comprehension and form cogent rebuttals.
This is why Auburn and A&M will serve as perennial backup schools for their state's flagship universities.
A last statistic:
Auburn has an 80% ACCEPTANCE RATE.
A&M has a 70% ACCEPTANCE RATE.
In other words, your school is a fricking joke. How can any university that takes 7 - 8 / 10 applicants possibly be taken seriously?
It is more difficult to be REJECTED from Auburn or A&M than to get in
This is why Auburn and A&M will serve as perennial backup schools for their state's flagship universities.
A last statistic:
Auburn has an 80% ACCEPTANCE RATE.
A&M has a 70% ACCEPTANCE RATE.
In other words, your school is a fricking joke. How can any university that takes 7 - 8 / 10 applicants possibly be taken seriously?
It is more difficult to be REJECTED from Auburn or A&M than to get in
Posted on 5/4/19 at 1:06 pm to ClassicCityAlum
I cannot wait to hear your replies after that last statistic concerning acceptance rates.
70%, 80% - ARE YOU frickING KIDDING ME?
You have no business asserting academic comparisons with bona fide universities when it is harder to get rejected than to be admitted into your school
That 70 - 80% acceptance rate just neutralized any potential arguments you can make on this thread.
70%, 80% - ARE YOU frickING KIDDING ME?
You have no business asserting academic comparisons with bona fide universities when it is harder to get rejected than to be admitted into your school
That 70 - 80% acceptance rate just neutralized any potential arguments you can make on this thread.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 1:08 pm to Ole Ag
Posted on 5/4/19 at 1:09 pm to ClassicCityAlum
so, the most privileged richest white kids go to Vandy. And the U of Georgia has some shenanigans going on. I bet their racial disparity isnt even close to the state of Georgia's as a whole. Institutionally racist schools; funded by the property-tax scam, solely designed to keep poor kids dumb. SMMFH.
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