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re: Top 10 programs since the inception of the college football playoffs
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:00 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:00 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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1. Ohio State (beat Alabama)
2. Alabama
One of these schools made it to the playoffs in both seasons. One didn't. One of them won back-to-back conference titles. One didn't. One of them skull drug Mich State in front of the entire country. One didn't.
To put OSU ahead of Alabama places greater value on one season than the other. If you are looking at a two season sample size then you value each season equally.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:14 pm to bamasgot13
lsuball19: sample sizes are fun, you say. Yes, they are. I'd back off of dumping on Ole Miss, though. The inception of the playoffs have included the concept of the NY6 Bowls. The committee basically decides which are the twelve best teams in the country to go to those bowls: 4 teams go to the play offs, the other 8 fill out the NY6 Bowls, which are the old-line, big bowls: Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta and the committee needed one more to make it six--the Peach Bowl which has been around for over forty-five years. These bowls rotate the semis. It separates the teams that deserve to go to the best bowls from all the crappy, chamber of commerce bowls that need to be decertified.
Bottom line: since the playoffs, Ole Miss has been one of those twelve teams twice. LSU has never made it. Maybe this year?
Bottom line: since the playoffs, Ole Miss has been one of those twelve teams twice. LSU has never made it. Maybe this year?
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:14 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:They were the best team in 2014 not their fault the committee didn't pick them.
How is TCU 3 even though they haven't made the playoffs yet?
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:16 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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They were the best team in 2014
Uhh... I am pretty sure the team that took the 4th spot from them and beat Bama was the best team.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:17 pm to reggierayreb
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Judging by this thread and this thread alone... LSU and Tennessee posters care a great deal.
The only posters I've seen that consider a "NY6" bowl a huge accomplishment are OM fans. And yet you always forget to mention you were stomped 45-3 in one of those
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:20 pm to GIbson05
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Alabama couldn't beat OSU this year because they didn't even make the playoffs
And because you're urban's bitch
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:23 pm to lsufball19
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Ole Miss finishes ranked 17th in 2014 and 10th in 2015
Do this for all the CFP teams and tell me where Ole Miss falls. Top 10?
Yes, 2 year samples are dumb, but your argument is just as dumb.
Also, we can't help the number 1 team is in our division. It doesn't mean we're not a top 10 team though.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:24 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Since the inception of the College Football playoff, the following schools have won their conference:
ACC - Florida State, Clemson
Big Ten - Ohio State, Michigan State
Big 12 - Oklahoma, Baylor/TCU
PAC 12 - Oregon, Stanford
SEC - Alabama
Anyone outside of those 10 schools should not be in the discussion of "Top 10"
1. Ohio State (beat Alabama)
2. Alabama
3. Clemson
4. Oregon
5. Oklahoma
6. Florida State
7. Michigan State
8. Stanford
9. Baylor
10. TCU
But Alabama is the only team to have won their conference title every year of the CFP. Ohio St. only won 1. Alabama is also the only team to have played in both seasons of the College Football Playoff. So...
1. Alabama (1 CFP title; 2 conference titles)
2. Ohio St. (1 CFP title; 1 conference title)
3. Clemson
4. Oregon
5. Oklahoma
6. Florida State
7. Michigan State
8. Stanford
9. Baylor
10. TCU
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:25 pm to reggierayreb
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This is a strong top 10 ... But it's obvious you're allowing your strong emotional ties to your former Big XII counterparts to get in the way of you making a truly objective list.
Teams 1 and 2 are 1 and 2 because they've won titles.
Teams 3 and 4 are 3 and 4 because they made the title game.
Teams 5-7 made the playoffs.
By rule, if a team did not make the playoffs, they cannot be rated above a team who did in this hypothetical.
Stanford has won a New Year's 6 bowl AND a conference title.
TCU has won a New Year's 6 bowl but not a conference title.
Baylor has won a conference title, but not a New Year's 6 bowl.
Conference Title has higher weight than bowl win in this case.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:29 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:So Bama should be #1 since they are the only team to have won 2 conference titles and a CFP title.
Conference Title has higher weight than bowl win in this case.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:46 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Very little weight should be put on conference titles. You are pretty much saying all Power 5 conferences are equal in strength, which is just not the case.
You especially can't put any weight on divisional titles. SEC West >>>>>>>> any other division. All divisions are not created equal.
You especially can't put any weight on divisional titles. SEC West >>>>>>>> any other division. All divisions are not created equal.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:46 pm to jatebe
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So Bama should be #1 since they are the only team to have won 2 conference titles and a CFP title.
And they absolutely obliterated Michigan State - the B1G champion who beat an OSU.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:46 pm to Stillinthegrove
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Do this for all the CFP teams and tell me where Ole Miss falls. Top 10?
are you saying I should average their finish? So conference titles and playoff appearances don;t carry more weight?
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Also, we can't help the number 1 team is in our division. It doesn't mean we're not a top 10 team though.
you can help losing to Memphis, Arkansas twice, Florida, getting blasted by TCU, etc. You also finished behind Mississippi State in 2014 as well, so I'd say you have more hurdles than just Alabama. I'm sorry, but a team without any 10 win regular seasons, any conference titles, any divisional titles, or playoff appearances in two years is not a top 10 program in that time span. And y'all really need to stop advertising your "NY6" appearance in 2014. I wouldn't exactly want a beatdown in a non-playoff game to be a part of my argument for being a top 10 program
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Yes, 2 year samples are dumb
thanks, I know
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:47 pm to Stillinthegrove
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Very little weight should be put on conference titles.
of course you feel this way
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:48 pm to lsufball19
Okay, so please tell me your top 10.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:49 pm to reggierayreb
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Top 10 programs since the inception of the college football playoffs by reggierayreb
so two years
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:51 pm to lsufball19
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Very little weight should be put on conference titles.
of course you feel this way
Well yeah. Again, we can't help the number 1 team is in our division. We can't win a conference title without first winning our division. By this "logic", it is impossible for 2 top 10 teams to be in the same division.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:53 pm to Stillinthegrove
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Okay, so please tell me your top 10.
1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Michigan State
4. Clemson
5. Florida State
6. TCU
7. Baylor
8. Oregon
9. Oklahoma
10. Stanford
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:54 pm to swinetime
It's a new world out there. BCS is gone. Only four teams can make the playoffs every year. But eight more can get prestigious, old-line bowl games which help recruiting and prepare those teams for a possible breakthrough for a playoff spot. So if your team hasn't made it to the playoffs OR a NY6 Bowl, you're falling behind in the new set-up. Argue all you want to, but that's the reality.
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:54 pm to Stillinthegrove
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Again, we can't help the number 1 team is in our division. We can't win a conference title without first winning our division.
clearly the #1 team being in your division isn't the reason you can't win the SEC the last two years Not sure why you've tried to use that as an excuse. And you finished 3rd in 2014 in the West. What's your excuse for that?
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 3:56 pm
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