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re: Too many different NIL laws per state
Posted on 1/31/24 at 12:57 pm to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 1/31/24 at 12:57 pm to AwgustaDawg
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There has never been a way to stop that.
Take away the player's choice. If he can't choose a school, then why am I going to give him a hundred grand or whatever as it would have no influence whatsoever in what school he goes to?
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Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:12 pm to jonnyanony
quote:i mean, yes it is. also these are not just private financial transactions, they are contracts and are thus highly regulated and subject to litigation under contract law.
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Every private financial transaction you partake in every day is restricted or regulated at every level of government,
No it isn't.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:18 pm to narddogg81
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school, if a player transfers the nil deal remains in tact and they still have to get paid
This tells me you have no idea how NIL deals are made. They are required to attend signings, interviews and more in the city their school resides. They would be breaking their NIL contract if they can’t make these. Good luck making these obligations when you’re attending school halfway across the country.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:42 pm to LewEvansFan
quote:how can you require someone to attend school related signings/events when nil is not supposed to be tied to the school? That Tennessee kids contact, if it's to be believed, expressly says it's not an inducement to attend any school, but that wouldn't hold up on court if the terms are all school related. You can't have a contract that says it doesn't induce a kid to attend a school and have it entail having to attend the school to be able to fulfill it in practice. If the kid transfers and can't make his contractual obligations, then I guess he's in breach of contract (bet those millions will help with the travel), assuming those contact conditions are legal and enforceable. Further highlights the need to clearly define nationwide what is nil, what's permissible and what's not permissible, what value is being conferred in these collectives that makes the kids nil worth this kid of money if the nil isn't tied to the kid attending a specific school ( ie it's actually the school fraudulently receiving the true consideration of the other side of the contract, not the collective which is just acting as a booster)
This tells me you have no idea how NIL deals are made. They are required to attend signings, interviews and more in the city their school resides. They would be breaking their NIL contract if they can’t make these. Good luck making these obligations when you’re attending school halfway across the country.
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:50 pm to narddogg81
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i mean, yes it is. also these are not just private financial transactions, they are contracts and are thus highly regulated and subject to litigation under contract law.
You may draw up any contract you like. NIL is a contract. Contract law is for dispute resolution.
Glad I could help.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 3:17 pm to narddogg81
My tax dollars don’t need to be spent on an issue that doesn’t affect anyone except a few thousand athletes. Let them pony up for agents and fight their own battles. I am for disbanding the NCAA.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 5:16 pm to narddogg81
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how can you require someone to attend school related signings/events when nil is not supposed to be tied to the school?
They aren’t school related signings and events, dumbass. They take place at local businesses (ie Squirrel White has made commercials and appearances at local Zips car wash locations) and are not UT related. Nice try.
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 1/31/24 at 5:18 pm to narddogg81
You sound like a democrat.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 5:24 pm to PeleofAnalytics
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I am not for some federal law on this but you need cooperation between states to get this thing a bit more standardized.
Why do we need, or want, standardization?????
There has NEVER been standardization in collegiate sports and there NEVER will be.
Why are some schools better than others? Because they care more. They want it more. If your school doesn’t care as much as another, why should that other school be handicapped to go to your level????
Communism much????
Posted on 1/31/24 at 5:28 pm to Tammany Tom
It's not communism to play by the same rules. I'm not ok playing chess against someone with 8 queen pieces.
Also, we do have standardization. Scholarship limits, roster limits, recruiting limits.
But it needs to be done by the sport itself. Which right now is the NCAA. The problem is the NCAA is very bad at this and the schools are still trying to have their cake and eat it too.
If they'd considered the aspects of going semi pro earlier they might have a handle on this but they milked "amateurism" until the dam broke.
Also, we do have standardization. Scholarship limits, roster limits, recruiting limits.
But it needs to be done by the sport itself. Which right now is the NCAA. The problem is the NCAA is very bad at this and the schools are still trying to have their cake and eat it too.
If they'd considered the aspects of going semi pro earlier they might have a handle on this but they milked "amateurism" until the dam broke.
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 1/31/24 at 5:31 pm to Tiger2tiga
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You keep talking about schools paying athletes. Remember schools will have to pay ALL athletes. Only 2 sports really makes money that supplements the other programs. Do you really think schools can afford this?
I think LSU is the one that broke the record for paying the most money to the entire football coaches.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 9:37 am to Tammany Tom
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Why are some schools better than others? Because they care more. They want it more. If your school doesn’t care as much as another, why should that other school be handicapped to go to your level???? Communism much????
So I would be a “communist” if I thought it would be a bad idea if one state legalizing all steroids for college athletes stating any NCAA rule infringing on this is illegal. They just “want it more” so anything goes?
I’ve got a feeling you spend an unhealthy amount of time accusing people of being communist. Get a life. Later.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 9:40 am to narddogg81
State sovereignty and the 10th amendment say hello.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 9:44 am to narddogg81
While states all have their own NIL laws, they have almost nothing to do with NCAA NIL sanctions. States can sue schools who violate their NIL laws, but there's basically only one NCAA NIL rule.
You can't have players on your team with NIL deals that have "inducements" which tie the deal to enrolling in or remaining enrolled in a particular school (or being on a particular athletic team). This is essentially saying "you can't be pay to play", but the word "inducement" means that it doesn't necessarily have to be spelled out in the contract. If a UGA player has a contract that requires them to make appearances in Athens, GA every Tuesday and Thursday, the NCAA can rule that's an "inducement" for the player to attend UGA even if UGA was never mentioned in the contract.
Each school has to navigate their own particular laws that exist in their state. But the NCAA only has one NIL rule. No pay to play.
You can't have players on your team with NIL deals that have "inducements" which tie the deal to enrolling in or remaining enrolled in a particular school (or being on a particular athletic team). This is essentially saying "you can't be pay to play", but the word "inducement" means that it doesn't necessarily have to be spelled out in the contract. If a UGA player has a contract that requires them to make appearances in Athens, GA every Tuesday and Thursday, the NCAA can rule that's an "inducement" for the player to attend UGA even if UGA was never mentioned in the contract.
Each school has to navigate their own particular laws that exist in their state. But the NCAA only has one NIL rule. No pay to play.
Posted on 2/2/24 at 9:45 am to JustGetItRight
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State sovereignty and the 10th amendment say hello.
The interstate commerce clause also might raise its hand, but I don't care enough to get into the details.
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