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re: Tommy Tubberville is a better coach than Gus Malzhan
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:48 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:48 pm to WG_Dawg
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that's really all it is. And yeah it really sucked for AU, I"m not even making fun of them for it since they had a stellar team that year. But I mean, what could be done? USC and OU started 1 and 2 and went undefeated too. It was just a really unfortunate scenario and the only time we saw it during the BCS era. It just so happens it was AU on the short end of the draw. I would feel the same if it were USC or OU that got left out too.
it really was.
And just to further it along, citadel dropped us in points for the ranking in comparison to OU. We only scheduled them because we scrambled to fill the slot because BGSU dropped the game in favor of playing.................................................................OU
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:48 pm to FuddSandersJr
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Can Gus learn, adapt and improve
12-2
8-5
7-6
you tell me.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:53 pm to WG_Dawg
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you tell me.
He meant at his next job
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:53 pm to TheJones
I think Tubs was a visionary - he saw that AU needed an offensive overhaul, he wanted to introduce the fast-paced, spread type offense so he hired a coach that basically invented the system - Tony Franklin. The remainder of his staff wouldn't or couldn't wrap their head around the scheme and refused to work with the guy and he quickly became an outcast. So under tremendous pressure Tubs had to send him packing mid-season. Tubs was/is a smart HC. The Saban impact was just too much too soon though and Tubs couldn't catch up so AU had to send him packing with a golden parachute.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:53 pm to FuddSandersJr
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Tuberville learned his early coaching mistakes at Ole Miss. Saban learned his early coaching mistakes at Mich State. Gus is really in his first cycle and its hard to judge. Can Gus learn, adapt and improve - only the future will determine who is the better coach.
Not trolling, but they seem like night and day.
Tubs seemed like he was a classic coach- win with defense and recruiting and all that boring old man football stuff. "Punch them in the mouth and make them quit."
Gus seems to need to push envelope- win by taking advantage of substitution rules and tricks and mismatches. "We will follow the rules of the game, but frick the spirit of the rules in their fat fricking face."
Tubs seems like the guy who can improve over time, especially if the defensive talent of his team improves with it (he bailed on Tech when his recruiting there started to fall apart). Gus seems like a guy who needs to find another quirk in the rulebook to get back to a title game.
Just IMHO.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:55 pm to cardboardboxer
Don't just downvote, correct me please.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:57 pm to cardboardboxer
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Gus seems like a guy who needs to find another quirk in the rulebook to get back to a title game.
He needs a QB who can move the ball.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:57 pm to FuddSandersJr
quote:A head coach still on training wheels in the strongest division of the toughest conference in the country has a hard row to hoe. Does Auburn have the patience for Gus to learn the job?
Tuberville learned his early coaching mistakes at Ole Miss. Saban learned his early coaching mistakes at Mich State. Gus is really in his first cycle and its hard to judge. Can Gus learn, adapt and improve - only the future will determine who is the better coach.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:58 pm to RT1941
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Does Auburn have the patience for Gus to learn the job?
I imagine we will find out in the next 6 months or so.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:58 pm to Toolman
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and was able to beat Alabama a lot.
Ears was good at beating us when we had several walk-on's starting due to heavy sanctions. When at full strength we beat him 31-7 and 36-0.
He never beat us by more than 8 pts, even when we had walk-on's starting. Not to mention losing starting QB due to a knee injury, starting RB due to a knee injury, starting OT due to broken leg, etc.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:58 pm to DuncanIdaho
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He needs a QB who can move the ball.
Fair enough. So you say he is dependent on his talent?
Cam- title
Guy you had last year- six wins
That sort of thing?
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:02 pm to cardboardboxer
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Fair enough. So you say he is dependent on his talent?
I don't know of many coaches who aren't dependent on talent. Marshall was a wizard at running that system and he had enough of an arm to be a threat in the secondary. I think if he can get a QB to perform close to that level his offense will be fine.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:02 pm to cardboardboxer
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Fair enough. So you say he is dependent on his talent?
Cam- title
Guy you had last year- six wins
His system seems dependent on a good QB. He lacks the know how to adjust for mediocre QB play. I'm hoping, as an Auburn fan, that since he's a new head coach he can learn from mistakes made last season but it's tough to be optimistic when we're returning the same guy + a dual threat guy that hasn't been able to create seperation
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:04 pm to Crimson Wraith
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He never beat us by more than 8 pts
He rarely beat anybody by more than 8 points. That wasn't his way. It doesn't really matter because a win by 30 doesn't count any more than a win by 8 (unless you are trying to convince pollsters).
This post was edited on 6/16/16 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:07 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:Tubs had balls and had a hardnosed football philosophy. Damn good defenses.
Tubs seemed like he was a classic coach- win with defense and recruiting and all that boring old man football stuff. "Punch them in the mouth and make them quit."
quote:Gus seems more cerebral, borderline nerdy. He probably analyzes shite too much and when things fall out of his "scripted" play calling he is looks lost in the wilderness.
Gus seems to need to push envelope- win by taking advantage of substitution rules and tricks and mismatches. "We will follow the rules of the game, but frick the spirit of the rules in their fat fricking face."
I don't know how many times I've seen Gus' team start a game on offense and look dynamic the first few series in the 1st & 3rd qtr. Then as the game progresses and defenses start to adjust the play calling gets sketchy and starts sputtering.
Most of the time Tubs was cool as a cucumber on the sideline - Gus looks anxious, nervous and sometimes frantic.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:09 pm to Crimson Wraith
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Ears was good at beating us when we had several walk-on's starting due to heavy sanctions
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He never beat us by more than 8 pts, even when we had walk-on's starting. Not to mention losing starting QB due to a knee injury, starting RB due to a knee injury, starting OT due to broken leg, etc.
even better
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:10 pm to RT1941
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He probably analyzes shite too much and when things fall out of his "scripted" play calling he is looks lost in the wilderness.
I don't know how many times I've seen Gus' team start a game on offense and look dynamic the first few series in the 1st & 3rd qtr. Then as the game progresses and defenses start to adjust the play calling gets sketchy and starts sputtering.
Not sure I've ever read such an apt and concise analysis of Gus. Very well done
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:11 pm to DuncanIdaho
quote:I remember a year or two where Tubs damn sure could have beat us by more than 8 pts. He pulled back the reigns in a few games when if he'd kept the pedal down he could have racked up points vs several teams.
He rarely beat anybody by more than 8 points. That wasn't his way. It doesn't really matter because a win by 30 doesn't count any more than a win by 8 (unless you are trying to convince pollsters).
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:12 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:At quarterback, absolutely.
So you say he is dependent on his talent?
Look at the offense under Nick Marshall and Cam Newton. Now, look at the offense under Chris Todd, Barrett Trotter, Clint Moseley, Jeremy Johnson and Sean White.
There's a huge difference.
If the quarterback isn't an outstanding athlete with the ability to run and pass, you get a very predictable and mediocre Auburn offense. There's no adjustment depending on player strength, and so far there hasn't been any high school development at the position.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 4:13 pm to RT1941
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Gus looks anxious, nervous and sometimes frantic.
That's pretty much his style - win or lose. He's pretty hi-wired and uptight on the sidelines. He escapes it only briefly with a celebration before it's back to looking like he's witnessed a beheading.
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