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re: Tommy Tubberville is a better coach than Gus Malzhan

Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:33 pm to
Posted by BoomNation
wetumpka. alabama
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:33 pm to
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Tubby just got lazy with recruiting


well that too . but the majority of folks were getting annoyed and tired of hearing is tubs going to be the new Hc of Arky. Nebraska. A&M. LSU. Miami. etc the same question usually popped a week or two before the iron bowl whenever there was a team that still needed a new HC just so he could get a new fat paycheck for himself and the bbq gang. maybe it was just his way of trolling guys like lowder. dye and raines. but you have to admit hearing is your Hc going to be the new hc of so and so 24/7 can get pretty annoying.

not gonna lie we had some of the best Defenses when he was here I'm one the few that believe he placed a jinx on our football program so we'd never have anything close to a good D again
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:34 pm to
Depends on which Auburn fan you ask.

USC beat Auburn two years in a row and fairly convincingly in the two seasons prior to 2004. Oklahoma was also undefeated with an exciting offense and they never let up after shutting out Texas for the longhorn's only loss that season.

Auburn wouldn't have beat that USC team anyway
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:34 pm to
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Of course I think he did.


It is a little bit of a wash then when it comes to the NC appearance.
Posted by DuncanIdaho
Ouray, CO
Member since Feb 2013
14970 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:34 pm to
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No he didn't get screwed

There's no way an SEC team should go undefeated and not get a chance to play for the NC.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:35 pm to
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Auburn wouldn't have beat that USC team anyway


Not saying that but neither did Gus so they are a little even in that department.
Posted by DuncanIdaho
Ouray, CO
Member since Feb 2013
14970 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:36 pm to
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USC beat Auburn two years in a row and fairly convincingly

They beat us by a TD out in LA. It came down to late in the 4th quarter. 2003 was worse than it appeared on the scoreboard.
Posted by DuncanIdaho
Ouray, CO
Member since Feb 2013
14970 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:38 pm to
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Not saying that but neither did Gus so they are a little even in that department

It took a lot of teams to fall the last couple of weeks for us to get the chance in 2013 so yes. And I do think Tubs is the better coach from what I've seen so far, but it' still a little early to tell.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:38 pm to
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but the majority of folks were getting annoyed and tired of hearing is tubs going to be the new Hc of Arky. Nebraska. A&M. LSU. Miami. etc the same question usually popped a week or two before the iron bowl whenever there was a team that still needed a new HC just so he could get a new fat paycheck for himself and the bbq gang.


How is that different than Saban going to Texas? Success always breeds that kind go crap.
Posted by Aman
Alabama
Member since Mar 2010
5181 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:38 pm to
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Didn't Tommy get a little screwed on that deal though?




No the preseason top 2 went undefeated. Nobody deserved to jump them. Just bad luck based on the system in place at the time. Nobody got screwed.
Posted by DuncanIdaho
Ouray, CO
Member since Feb 2013
14970 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:40 pm to
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How is that different than Saban going to Texas?

I think Sexton is the agent for both of them but I feel like Tuberville encouraged those rumors be leaked where I don't think that Saban does.
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
33339 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:40 pm to
It's tough to compare the two IMO

Tuberville benefited from easier roads to the SEC. We're talking about a time when Arkansas (no offense) wasn't typically really tough, Mississippi state and ole miss were doormats, and Alabama was going through 20 head coaches named Mike. LSU was our only consistent challenger for the west.

While I cherish those years as a football fan and a fan of the SEC it's impossible not to notice that the SECW is on another level now.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:41 pm to
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No the preseason top 2 went undefeated. Nobody deserved to jump them. Just bad luck based on the system in place at the time. Nobody got screwed.


I guess screwed wasn't the right word but in many other years he would have gone and he did about as much as he could have at the time.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:41 pm to
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I think Sexton is the agent for both of them but I feel like Tuberville encouraged those rumors be leaked where I don't think that Saban does.



Well Saban is the highest paid coach in the sport. Was Tubs back in his time?
Posted by DuncanIdaho
Ouray, CO
Member since Feb 2013
14970 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:42 pm to
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Was Tubs back in his time?

He was probably a top-10 but definitely not the highest.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86468 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:43 pm to
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There's no way an SEC team should go undefeated and not get a chance to play for the NC


The #1 and #2 ranked teams also went undefeated all year in P5 conferences. There was no way to bump either.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:43 pm to
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It's tough to compare the two IMO


I agree, you should look at all the factors and the west was easier back then
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
33339 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:44 pm to
My main point was that Auburn played USC twice in the years previous to that matchup and the preseason 1 & 2 were on a collision course to a media fapfest.

Needed a win in the previous two years to create intrigue in the game
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:44 pm to
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He was probably a top-10 but definitely not the highest.



That makes a big difference IMHO.

Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86468 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:45 pm to
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Just bad luck


that's really all it is. And yeah it really sucked for AU, I"m not even making fun of them for it since they had a stellar team that year. But I mean, what could be done? USC and OU started 1 and 2 and went undefeated too. It was just a really unfortunate scenario and the only time we saw it during the BCS era. It just so happens it was AU on the short end of the draw. I would feel the same if it were USC or OU that got left out too.
Posted by FuddSandersJr
Member since Jul 2013
1648 posts
Posted on 6/16/16 at 3:47 pm to
Tuberville learned his early coaching mistakes at Ole Miss. Saban learned his early coaching mistakes at Mich State. Gus is really in his first cycle and its hard to judge. Can Gus learn, adapt and improve - only the future will determine who is the better coach.
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