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Todd McShay Vindicated?
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:45 am
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:45 am
Todd McShay was more or less lambasted for saying that Jaylen Carter had some character issues which would harm him in the NFL draft and from the looks of things he wasn't wrong. If the allegations against Carter are true and he hasn't disclosed that to the NFL his character is certainly in question. Won't mean he isnt drafted but will mean a lot less money most likely.
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:49 am to AwgustaDawg
Yeah. I'm sure the dude went out with the intention to kill people. Young man made a tragic mistake in youthful foolishness. Give it a rest.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:52 am to LovetheLord
we've all done stupid things when young, but I have never street raced drunk...
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:54 am to AwgustaDawg
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Won't mean he isnt drafted but will mean a lot less money most likely.
Eh, if a player is good enough, NFL GMs will overlook quite a bit. Even with what has come out, I'd be shocked if he isn't a top 5 pick and honestly wouldn't surprise me if he's still the #1 pick like he's been in mock drafts
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:58 am to RockyRococco
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we've all done stupid things when young, but I have never street raced drunk...
That's great that you can escape that one. But the other stupid stuff you did was still stupid stuff. You didn't go out intending for people to die or get hurt and you're fortunate no one did.
The guy is going to pay for his deeds, but let's get over ourselves.
This post was edited on 3/1/23 at 11:59 am
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:59 am to RockyRococco
Didn’t you lose a ban bet?
Posted on 3/1/23 at 11:59 am to AwgustaDawg
I feel like an appropriate punishment for Jalen would be to fall to pick #8.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:03 pm to AwgustaDawg
Wasn’t he the one who said Darius Guice had character issues as well and got bashed for it?
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:04 pm to AwgustaDawg
Ya, I have to agree with the others. It's not like he delivered the murder weapon to a murderer.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:04 pm to LovetheLord
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Yeah. I'm sure the dude went out with the intention to kill people. Young man made a tragic mistake in youthful foolishness. Give it a rest.
It seems you went way off course with your reply to the op. Like you had a brain spasm or are simply an embarrassment to all sports fans or at least those of us who can separate our feelings from our favorite teams when a nasty situation arises.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:10 pm to LovetheLord
Two people, that Carter knew well, died during a reckless, illegal activity that Carter was participating in, most likely while drunk. That’s bad and shows serious lapses in judgement, and he should get a little jail for it. I agree there was not bad intent, but rarely does any drunk driver or stupid kid have poor intentions. It’s still a crime. Carter is lucky he wasn’t the primary reason for the crash, or at least he’s lucky there isn’t evidence that indicates that. Otherwise, he could be looking at manslaughter.
The character issue is that he lied about his involvement in the death of two people, multiple times, to law enforcement.
The character issue is that he lied about his involvement in the death of two people, multiple times, to law enforcement.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:10 pm to AwgustaDawg
McShay deserved to be lambasted. He didn’t say Jalen Carter engages in street racing or even hint at it. He said “Character Issues” which is so vague it could mean anything. And at the time Carter hadnt been attested or punished by the team in any way that was known to any other source.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:23 pm to Sweepthleg
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McShay deserved to be lambasted. He didn’t say Jalen Carter engages in street racing or even hint at it. He said “Character Issues” which is so vague it could mean anything. And at the time Carter hadnt been attested or punished by the team in any way that was known to any other source.
I don't like McShay, but what was he supposed to say? Yeah, teams may drop or completely pull Carter from their draft boards because he was involved in all of this? Or I heard from a team that they heard from one of their sources that Carter was much more involved in this and was not as forthcoming in all of this than what is currently know?
He has to be vague from a liability standpoint and to protect his sources (which most likely a specific team that has a link with the AD or PD there) and he released it as a generic nugget of information that teams have concerns over a character issue. I have issues with McShay, but in the current media environment he cant be blunt about this until Carter was implicated by another source or charged.
The bigger question to me is centered on the timing on all of this. Did the PD release this prior to the combine because they knew the optics would be a disaster for everyone involved in all of this if it was delayed to later this month or did it just work out this way?
The conspiracy theorist can always come up with some rationale to say this was a "coverup" in some form, but I have to admit this happening during the combine makes me have more questions than we did to begin wiht.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:23 pm to LovetheLord
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That's great that you can escape that one. But the other stupid stuff you did was still stupid stuff. You didn't go out intending for people to die or get hurt and you're fortunate no one did.
No one is trying to call the kid Jeffery Dahmer or anything, but if I'm an NFL team making a multi-million dollar decision I'm definitely considering this. Best case you can say is its a maturity issue, I think its outright foolishness given the context. Is he so much better than say Tyree Wilson, Will Anderson, or whoever else that might not have those kind of questions that its worth taking him? It depends on the team I guess.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:24 pm to Sweepthleg
He turned out to be right, he absolutely did not deserve it 
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:30 pm to AwgustaDawg
You must be a real scumbag in life. Mcshay was yapping over chippiness at the Mizzou game. Not this.
Bet even Mcshay hates you.
Bet even Mcshay hates you.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:31 pm to LovetheLord
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Yeah. I'm sure the dude went out with the intention to kill people. Young man made a tragic mistake in youthful foolishness. Give it a rest.
And apparently, according to police, has told 3 different stories about his actions. Thats a character issue. Making bad decisions is typical of youth...lying is also, but lying is universally considered a character flaw.
Carter was ticketed in September last year for doing 89 in a 45. That could be a felony in Georgia unless I am mistaken. It appears as if he may feel like laws do not apply to him...that is considered a character flaw by most folks...
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:36 pm to Sweepthleg
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McShay deserved to be lambasted. He didn’t say Jalen Carter engages in street racing or even hint at it. He said “Character Issues” which is so vague it could mean anything. And at the time Carter hadnt been attested or punished by the team in any way that was known to any other source.
It was a matter of public record at the time that he had been ticketed in September for what could, if I not mistaken, be a felony in Georgia. That this was not something the program did not do something about is TROUBLING to anyone who can detach themselves from the fandom for a minute...
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:38 pm to TrussvilleTide
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No one is trying to call the kid Jeffery Dahmer or anything, but if I'm an NFL team making a multi-million dollar decision I'm definitely considering this. Best case you can say is its a maturity issue, I think its outright foolishness given the context. Is he so much better than say Tyree Wilson, Will Anderson, or whoever else that might not have those kind of questions that its worth taking him? It depends on the team I guess.
One can rest assured that at a minimum it will be used as leverage in contract negotiations....the same way it will be in the Alabama Basketball players case.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 12:47 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Carter was ticketed in September last year for doing 89 in a 45.
This could become a mess from a street racing/habitual behavior/did he "cause" the accident standpoint.
Depending on the state, deaths that occur while street racing have all sorts of weird ties and escalators for what they can/will charge you with. This does not just pertain to when a driver kills a passenger or a bystander, but also the other participant potentially can be charged from a wilful disregard standpoint.
This is now looking more and more like it will be a big issue, not a small issue. On top of the tragedy, now you will see people digging into did the PD consistently under charge UGA players for things or have other players have gotten off with warnings for similar reckless behavior.
This is going to be a mess regardless of what the final charge is going to be for Carter or what happens. Fans from all sides will complain that he was under or overcharged in all of this and it will overshadow the sad fact that 2 kids died from youthful stupidity.
Welcome to the new shite show of the offseason.
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