re: To save face UT must clean house

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But if the former is a lie, it doesn't make him guilty of perjury, whereas lying in the latter would.

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Exactly. And the simplest motive for lying to the media is to just keep people off his back, even if only for a while.

right, save face like Missouri saved face.

perhaps UT should ferret out the truth before ruining peoples lives just to satisfy lynch mobs (like you) with some sort of agenda.

No the GJ testimony is sealed for the time being.

Reading the simpletons of this board attempt to decipher a complex civil case with a legal case pending as well has been very entertaining though.

"It's gotta be true cause he done perjured himself if he's lying Pawwwl"

Obviously there are no transcripts of the Grand Jury proceeding since it's under litigation but reporters like Rucker who was likely there have said that his testimony to the Grand Jury was that he wasn't assaulted. Drae also told KNS that he told the Grand Jury that he wasn't. That particular interview took place shortly after his testimony.

The more distance we get between ourselves and an event the more our memories are tainted and the more likely we are to misremember. Memory is imperfect but this one is a big discrepancy even considering the amount of time that's passed.

We can probably safely assume that whatever testimony he gave in front of the Grand Jury will not look good for UT when it is released.

Only the prosecutors call witnesses for a GJ hearing. They don't put people on the stand for the GJ unless they are going to say something that strengthens the case for the prosecution.

Now, the Defense might be able to rip him apart at the real trial but if he was asked by the prosecutor to come and testify before the GJ then we can probably assume whatever he said only strengthened the case against the thugs who raped this girl.

When we do get to see the testimony then it won't include a cross exam either so it will probably be pretty damning.

I'm assuming that Bowles will be called by the State in both rape trials. If his story on the stand matches the affidavit, then all bets are off.

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but reporters like Rucker who was likely there have said that his testimony to the Grand Jury was that he wasn't assaulted

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Are you serious with this? How the hell would Rucker be allowed to hear his GJ testimony? Grand jury proceedings are not open to the public and kept in strict confidence. The jury, prosecutor and Bowles are the only ones who know what he testified.

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Drae also told KNS that he told the Grand Jury that he wasn't.

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This is not correct according to Dopirak.

Not usually.

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Let's be clear, the current civil suit is not a rape trial.

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I was referring to the Johnson and Williams trials. Wasn't it the criminal trials that brought him before the grand jury?

Yes. This civil case likely has a lot of drummed up accusations (as almost all civil cases do) with some truth mixed in as well. I am hesitant to believe almost anything I see in these money grab trials, especially when the plaintiffs are doing everything in the media.

There are likely some problems on UT's end but this is a lot of sensationalism as well.

The criminal trial is a different story and if convicted I wish nothing but the worst for the two defendants.