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re: To save face UT must clean house
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:17 am to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:17 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Agreed. But it does cast doubt. I want to know what he said to the grand jury.
In all seriousness if it's suggested to you that x happened (especially as lawyers are wont to do in a case like this) you are VERY susceptible to believing in it so strongly that it becomes your memory of the event. This effect is so strong that your best friend could say something like "remember when we were 7 and shoplifted from Old Man Johnson's store? He turned about 5 shades of purple and red trying to chase us down!" and you're likely to 'remember' it.
The same is true for reading false accounts of something - you can internalize that memory.
Something as simple as a cop or therapist saying to you, "I believe your daddy did something bad to you and you don't want to remember it....I just want you to know that talking about it can help. Help me, help you" can lead to false memories that the person whole heartedly believes.
This is just one way memory can be shaped and memories implanted even unintentionally:
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Oh and every single one of us is susceptible.
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:18 am to volfan30
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The criminal trial is a different story and if convicted I wish nothing but the worst for the two defendants.
Agreed. I'm not really trying to speculate as to anyone's guilt or innocence. But, from a totally non-legal perspective, what Bowles says on the stand in those criminal proceedings could mean the end of Jones. If he repeats the "traitor" story on the stand, then it's all over.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:21 am to bamawriter
I wouldn't say that, especially if CBJ testifies on the stand that he didn't say it.
If there is verification from a third party or proof of some kind, that would be the end.
If there is verification from a third party or proof of some kind, that would be the end.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:22 am to bamawriter
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Agreed. I'm not really trying to speculate as to anyone's guilt or innocence. But, from a totally non-legal perspective, what Bowles says on the stand in those criminal proceedings could mean the end of Jones. If he repeats the "traitor" story on the stand, then it's all over.
Not with the contradictions in his story. At this point, he is a flawed witness and it will be he said/she said unless someone else was there.
While distasteful it would be easy to paint Drae as simply a disgruntled player with a grudge but plaintiffs lawyers have opened the door for more distaste than anyone cares for.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:23 am to Supravol22
HEY, Aggie is moon moon. We will not allow you to attribute our traits to others!
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:25 am to volfan30
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I wouldn't say that, especially if CBJ testifies on the stand that he didn't say it.
That's assuming that the defense would feel like it's worth putting Jones on the stand to refute that small portion of Bowles' testimony.
And even then, if Jones finds himself in the position of having to appear as a witness in either of these trials, it's probably over for him.
And I don't mean to suggest that he has any legal culpability. But that would be a PR disaster that the school simply cannot afford in this day and age of "rape culture". This is doubly true when the Title IX suit is still hanging over their heads.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:28 am to Prof
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Not with the contradictions in his story.
If his testimony to the grand jury matches the affidavit and, in turn, they both match what he says on the stand, then there aren't any contradictions. What he said to reporters when he wasn't under oath is irrelevant, because it carries no legal consequences.
Of course, what he said to the grand jury, and what he might say on the stand, could be rife with contradictions.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:31 am to bamawriter
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And even then, if Jones finds himself in the position of having to appear as a witness in either of these trials, it's probably over for him.
Where on Earth are you getting that? Of course, he will likely have to appear. That's been known for a while, long before Drae changed his story.
The PR is bad and that's the point of how plaintiffs lawyers filed their suit. Much of it has had frick all to do with the case but was inserted solely for getting headlines/clicks.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:34 am to Prof
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Of course, he will likely have to appear.
In the criminal trials? Not sure I agree with you there.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:34 am to bamawriter
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That's assuming that the defense would feel like it's worth putting Jones on the stand to refute that small portion of Bowles' testimony.
This is a good point and Bowles' testimony about what Jones said may never come up in the trial either.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:35 am to Prof
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Of course, he will likely have to appear. That's been known for a while, long before Drae changed his story.
It's a good point by bamawriter. What reason does the defense or prosecution have to call CBJ to the stand in the AJ/Mike Will rape case?
I don't see an obvious reason from what we know as of now.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:38 am to volfan30
Hell I think most UT fans I know would be thrilled with getting rid of Cheek & Hart.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:39 am to volfan30
I realize I wasn't clear but I was talking about the civil trial. Mea Culpa.
That said, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he were called as a character witness in the criminal trial.
That said, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he were called as a character witness in the criminal trial.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:42 am to Prof
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I realize I wasn't clear but I was talking about the civil trial. Mea Culpa.
I haven't been terribly clear which trials I'm talking about. Since we don't know if and when the civil case will go to trial, I'm speculating about the criminal trials.
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That said, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he were called as a character witness in the criminal trial.
If (big "if) Bowles repeats the traitor accusation during the State's case, it would be legal malpractice for the Defense to call Jones as a character witness.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:43 am to Prof
No problem. 
Definitely possible he will be called as a character witness but the whole "traitor" exchange will very likely never be brought up in court.
I don't think we will see a civil trial. JMO.
Definitely possible he will be called as a character witness but the whole "traitor" exchange will very likely never be brought up in court.
I don't think we will see a civil trial. JMO.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:43 am to Dore5674
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Hell I think most UT fans I know would be thrilled with getting rid of Cheek & Hart.
Well they are having a presser tomorrow.
That said, Hart has gotten marginally better since he's been here. I feel we could do a whole lot better though and don't agree with some things he's done. I also think he can be a little dictator to subordinates too often. Cheek, OTOH, I've never understood the hate for but there's a lot of myth regarding his role in the program that's really a stretch, imo. I don't care one way or the other about Cheek.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:54 am to Prof
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Well they are having a presser tomorrow
They are having a press conference in 6 minutes
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:58 am to bamawriter
S'all good. (You too volfan30).
Now, heere's the thing about the traitor comment that bugs me; Orta was the one who said that and did so during his interview with police. Orta told police, "[Drae] had betrayed the team and that where [Geraldo] came from, people got shot for doing what [Drae] did."
^^THAT is where I think this traitor stuff came from and it's gotten twisted and changed around much like a game of telephone. Jones for all his faults is too smart to say something like that. Orta, OTOH, actually said he felt like Drae was a traitor. And FWIW, that kind of statement is so stereotypically soooooo Orta it's not even funny.
Now, heere's the thing about the traitor comment that bugs me; Orta was the one who said that and did so during his interview with police. Orta told police, "[Drae] had betrayed the team and that where [Geraldo] came from, people got shot for doing what [Drae] did."
^^THAT is where I think this traitor stuff came from and it's gotten twisted and changed around much like a game of telephone. Jones for all his faults is too smart to say something like that. Orta, OTOH, actually said he felt like Drae was a traitor. And FWIW, that kind of statement is so stereotypically soooooo Orta it's not even funny.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 11:59 am to Vols&Shaft83
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They are having a press conference in 6 minutes
Dammit I was reading a thread from yesterday.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 12:00 pm to NickPapageorgio
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Watching you deal with this after all your stupid posts is so great.
Almost makes you believe in karma doesn't it?
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