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re: To put an end to the Chavis debate
Posted on 7/20/15 at 1:52 pm to bbap
Posted on 7/20/15 at 1:52 pm to bbap
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Chavis is the only one who hasnt been a head coach??
Sorry you walked into that one.
Would you rather have a DC who is universally recognized as an elite DC or a DC who went 9–36 as a head coach?
Sorry, you walked headlong into a woodchipper on that one.
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Posted on 7/20/15 at 1:55 pm to The_SwAUggford
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Muschamp has fielded elite defenses every where he's been since LSU
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Pelini was co-defensive coordinator at Oklahoma of a defense that was 11th nationally in scoring.
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Pelini also had good defenses at Nebraska so don't act like LSU made them.
From your own post, it sounds like LSU had a pretty big part in making both Muschamp and Pelini
Posted on 7/20/15 at 1:56 pm to Cooter Davenport
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DC who went 9–36 as a head coach?
I don't see where this is relevant when discussing DC's, yet you Ags seem to bring it up an awful lot.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:01 pm to RB10
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I don't see where this is relevant when discussing DC's, yet you Ags seem to bring it up an awful lot.
It's relevent as a reply to poster who is citing Steele's head coaching experience as a positive differentiator between him and Chavis.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:04 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:What "young talent"? Myles Garrett? And who else? Your defense has no talent. And Chavis is a below average LB coach and last time I checked your DL and DB coaches are nobodies so going by your logic ya'll should've brought in an enthusiastic young coach and top notch assistants. Chavis provides absolutely nothing but good game day planning and that's not going to work very well with a low amount of talent and bad assistants coaching them up
You are being sarcastic but you shouldn't be. Chavis is a better fit for a team with younger talent (who needs teaching of fundamentals), especially when the head coach lacks the understanding of defense to provide those fundamentals (or even the right attitudes) himself
quote:No, his simple schemes are good for players like Patrick Peterson and Morris Claiborne who are athletic enough to shut down guys like Amari Cooper 1 on 1. Ya'll are completely fricked unless he has a serious change of heart in philosophy because lining up less talented players in man coverage every play is a recipe to get shredded
Chavis's simple schemes are better for defensive players that have been playing the equivalent of flag football all their lives, as they are basically learning from scratch.
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If anything Steele (who so far has been mostly praised for bringing in talent) is maybe a poor fit for LSU (a team I am told again and again ALREADY has superior talent). Seems a better fit for LSU would be an elite coach to make use of the CURRENT talent, as yall already have a ton of it.
you have no understanding of college football. You understand that in the college game most of our current "superior" players are going to be gone in a year or two right? Recruiting is HUGE no matter who you are, and we're looking great on talent for years to come. Steele isn't half bad as a coordinator and what we're going to (possibly) lose in competence on game day will be more than compensated for by elite assistants to teach good fundamentals and help game plan and elite talentPosted on 7/20/15 at 2:04 pm to Projectpat
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Good job conveniently leaving Saban out of the equation
That doesn't make any sense. He did mention Saban's DC (Muschamp). Why would he mention Saban when he didn't mention the other head coaches while discussing our past defensive coordinators?
His point is obviously valid. LSU has always had a tradition of great defense, and that seems unlikely to change over the long term, although anything could happen this year and the next couple. Mallory/Peveto was a failure; Steele might be, too. But none of that will change the fact that what Chavis did at LSU was nothing unusual, and just about all of our past coordinators have done just as well or better.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:05 pm to Projectpat
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Good job conveniently leaving Saban out of the equation
huh?
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:06 pm to The_SwAUggford
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Muschamp has fielded elite defenses every where he's been since LSU
You just proved my point
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:07 pm to Cooter Davenport
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Would you rather have a DC who is universally recognized as an elite DC or a DC who went 9–36 as a head coach?
Bill Arnsparger went 7-28 as a head coach before he got to LSU.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:07 pm to RB10
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I don't see where this is relevant when discussing DC's, yet you Ags seem to bring it up an awful lot.
It really doesn't. It's our only head to head experience.
Saban demoting him, and Dabo firing him are much more important. And the fact clemsons defense's were better before and after Steele.
Steele's recruiting will set up les miles replacement very well and that should scare the piss out of everyone.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:08 pm to SwampyLSU
And all this time I thought this was about Caesar Chavis...
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:08 pm to The_SwAUggford
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Muschamp and Pelini are elite defensive coordinators though
Was Muschamp really thought of as that great when Saban hired him here.
And Pelini was a good DC, but not as good as Chavis. His recruiting effort was almost as lackluster.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:09 pm to SwampyLSU
I see what you're saying but don't expect an almost 60 year old man who's set in his ways and isn't gonna change a whole lot to duplicate Muschamp and Pelini's growth.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:11 pm to Nguyening
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Steele's recruiting will set up les miles replacement very well and that should scare the piss out of everyone.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnd there's your upside to all of this. If this thing tanks this year or next at least we'll be sitting on a string of top 5 classes to help whoever comes in next.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:12 pm to The_SwAUggford
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I see what you're saying but don't expect an almost 60 year old man who's set in his ways and isn't gonna change a whole lot to duplicate Muschamp and Pelini's growth.
How can you know? My point is that LSU has a great defense regardless of who the DC is, so why would that change now? especially when we return 8 starters from last year.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:12 pm to cas4t
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I don't think any LSU fans think Steele > Chavis.
I have no idea which one is better. What I do know is that, now, if we have a 3 point lead in the last two minutes and the other team has the ball, there will be doubt in my mind as to whether they will score to tie or win the game. For the last three years or so, there hasn't been.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:13 pm to SwampyLSU
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The only difference between Chavis and these two are that Pelini and Muschamp actually brought home a National Championship for LSU.
So now LSU fans are blaming Chavis for 1/9/12.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:16 pm to Korin
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So now LSU fans are blaming Chavis for 1/9/12.
No one said that.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:17 pm to southeasttiger113
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What "young talent"? Myles Garrett?
Don't worry about our young talent. It's absent. It doesn't exist. No 4 stars with multiple offers from big time programs exist. We only recruit QBs and WRs. Everyone else is a walk on.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 2:18 pm to cas4t
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I don't think any LSU fans think Steele > Chavis. That would be statistically incorrect.
I think Chavis and Haley were stagnant, and we needed fresh hires.
I trust Miles more to make an appropriate hire than I trust any of the asshats here to pass judgment on that hire.
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