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re: Time to put AJ for Heisman to rest
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:41 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:41 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Definitely AJ should be invited to NY and in the discussion. I would put him at #3-4 in Heisman contention.
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Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:41 am to FourThreeForty
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Most likely Bama with 2 losses because AJ would've picked apart our defense and Johnny would be rubbing around like a fool throwing picks for every touchdown he makes.
2 losses? You dont think Manziel could score 17 points a game playing for Bama. Holy shite dude. I highly doubt McCarron could "pick apart" the bama secondary. But lets just assume thats true. Manziel would score 90 on the A&M defense.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:42 am to RollTide1987
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Not a valid comparison as both teams run two totally different systems. AJ is strictly a pro-style QB. He wouldn't fit into Sumlin's system.
I agree with your statement... But dont you think being in Sumlin's system definitely gives JFF an advantage since he does get to showcase his ability more? The system is dependent upon him.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:42 am to MMB5DAP
quote:I think he would score 65+ in all honesty
Manziel would score 90 on the A&M defense.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:43 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Definitely AJ should be invited to NY and in the discussion. I would put him at #3-4 in Heisman contention.
100% agree. This notion that AJ hasn't had to do Heisman things doesn't make sense to me. It's not often, but when AJ is asked to come through...he does.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:44 am to Fondels
I think AJ could do a lot of damage with Evans to throw to.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:44 am to Fondels
quote:I think the point was JFF would be successful for any team he played for no matter what. While AJ needs the correct team/system in order to be successful. I have seen AJ be pressured twice in his career and he was less than mediocre both times(Va Tech and LSU 2011)
I agree with your statement... But dont you think being in Sumlin's system definitely gives JFF an advantage since he does get to showcase his ability more? The system is dependent upon him.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:47 am to lsupride87
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I have seen AJ be pressured twice in his career and he was less than mediocre both times(Va Tech and LSU 2011)
As is any QB who is pressured consistently. Auburn made Manziel look a little human when they played them. The rush was really causing Manziel to suck it up on some plays.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:49 am to lsupride87
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My point was AJ has not been better in big time games than Newton and Tebow like someone said
Didn't Florida lose 4 games the year Tebow won the Heisman?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:50 am to RollTide1987
AJ is outstanding. Don't get too sensitive Gumps.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:52 am to RollTide1987
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As is any QB who is pressured consistently. Auburn made Manziel look a little human when they played them. The rush was really causing Manziel to suck it up on some plays.
28-38 454 yards passing 4 Touchdowns. 74% completion. Yep he was pretty bothered and definitely looked human. Auburn gives up those kinds of numbers to every QB.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:52 am to RTR America
quote:He did. But i was hoping we could be objective and compare the years Tebow had a team consistent to Aj's. I am not trying to bash Aj by any means. The guy has kinda grown on me a little. I just dont see how anyone could truly believe JFF doesn't deserve the heisman
Didn't Florida lose 4 games the year Tebow won the Heisman?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:52 am to partsman103
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JFF has been bailed out several times by his WR's when JFF would throw passes up for grabs
There's this odd perception that this happens all the time.
I can only think of two times this has happened. Once against Bama and once against Arkansas. I may be missing one or two, but as far as "wow, what a ridiculous throw that probably should've been picked JFF's lucky there" ... yeah that's happened less than 4 times this year.
People see the same highlights again and again and assume that's all JFF does. If that were true, than he wouldn't be completing 73% of his passes.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:52 am to lsupride87
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I have seen AJ be pressured twice in his career and he was less than mediocre both times(Va Tech and LSU 2011)
Well first off he isn't all that mobile of a QB and one of those games you mentioned we were in control from the 1st time we touched the ball. Why try to force things when you have a multiple TD lead and your defense is playing lights out?
You should look up some of AJ's numbers when teams blitz. He picks teams apart when they try to blitz us.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:53 am to Fear The Thumb
AJ doesn't deserve the Heisman based on stats alone...also, throw in the fact that he has a much better supporting cast and has inferior stats makes him on the outside looking in.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:54 am to MMB5DAP
This what Manziel does when there is a pass rush:
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:54 am to RTR America
AJ is a fantastic QB.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:54 am to lsupride87
quote:Literally no one has said that. JFF deserves it.
I just dont see how anyone could truly believe JFF doesn't deserve the heisman
But calling AJ a game manager is the most ridiculous statement imaginable. Way more ridiculous than anything else. I think that's really our main point. AJ is a great, great quarterback and we would like people to acknowledge that.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:55 am to RTR America
quote:Agreed. But, the blitz is usually picked up and he still has the cleanest pocket i've ever seen giving him one less defender to worry about
You should look up some of AJ's numbers when teams blitz. He picks teams apart when they try to blitz us.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:56 am to genro
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calling AJ a game manager is the most ridiculous statement imaginable.
I actually think that's high praise for any QB
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