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re: Time for a group of 5 playoff.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:42 am to bamameister
Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:42 am to bamameister
I agree. I also don’t want to make this political but there is this attempt to make taboo things that are obvious in our feminized culture in certain things, one of those things being that “equality” actually exists and is a real thing.
It’s time we stop pretending Troy and Tulane are playing the same game as UGA and Ohio State
It’s time we stop pretending Troy and Tulane are playing the same game as UGA and Ohio State
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Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:42 am to td01241
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The best way forward imo is a g5 separate playoff subsidized by the p4. I think it’ll actually make money and people will watch it because it’ll be equal level competition and actually give those teams a trophy to compete for.
the problem with this is finding a window to schedule the games for TV.
They sure couldn't schedule them against the P4 playoff and the NFL.
I guess they would have to be at night during the week for the early rounds. Then you could use the lower level bowls for the next round. The bowls would probably like that.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:43 am to td01241
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They’ll never accept it for financial reasons
This is the underlying reason college football is so broken right now.
All the realignment, conference shuffling, etc. Is at its heart the result of the major players in the game trying to leave the dead weight behind. They can't kick the dead weight out of a conference, so the big programs have to make moves themselves to get away from them.
There's two more rounds of realignment coming before the dust settled.
1. The B10 and SEC poach the remaining contenders from the ACC.
2. The B10 and SEC break away from the other conference and merge AFC/NFC style with their own playoff, scheduling rules, etc.
At that point all the smaller programs will build their own playoff, and the separation of program levels will be complete.
This post was edited on 12/21/25 at 11:49 am
Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:48 am to td01241
quote:So they are a DEI add. Simple way to do this is to take the top twelve teams. Period. No set asides for conferences or G5. 1-12 you are in. 13 and above? See you next year.
This is sort of hitting on the point. The one and only reason the g5 is allowed very limited access to the current playoff is to avoid anti trust lawsuits.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:50 am to td01241
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The one and only reason the g5 is allowed very limited access to the current playoff is to avoid anti trust lawsuits.
There's no antitrust case here. The NFL is not obliged to invite the CFL to the playoffs.
Fundamentally antitrust means you can't stop some entity from making money, not that you must invite them to share some of yours.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:52 am to Wolfhound45
You can call them DEI if you like, and I’m a very right conservative on politics so I’m no fan of DEI, but I wouldn’t consider that in this situation. Maybe something that is in the spirit of it but they would be suing based on long and very established anti trust precedent not some bs leftist woke legal precedent and they would have a point and a case.
Which is why I say we (as in the the p4 and its fans) need to nudge them to their own playoff with a financial carrot and not the stick
Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:53 am to Wolfhound45
Why do people feel so strongly that the sun belt conference champ isn’t worthy of a playoff spot but the sunbelt conference is worthy of being a D1 conference. You guys have a lot of misdirected hostility towards the playoffs system.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:53 am to jonnyanony
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There's no antitrust case here. The NFL is not obliged to invite the CFL to the playoffs
I’m not a lawyer but many many lawyers have made the argument that there is an anti trust case, and that the g5 would 100% sue over it. Would they win? Who knows but I do know p4 doesn’t want that happening
This post was edited on 12/21/25 at 11:55 am
Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:55 am to td01241
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I’m not a lawyer but many many lawyers have made the argument that their is an anti trust case, and that the g5 would 100% sue over it.
Do you have a link to one? Because it's a pretty bad premise.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 11:57 am to jonnyanony
Me and my lady are at post church functions at the moment. In an hour or so when I get home and have access to my desktop I’ll post some in this thread even it if it has died down and you all can see their arguments and debate them if you wish.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 12:00 pm to td01241
Sure. Every case the NCAA has lost since the 1980s has to do with them actively depriving member institutions or players of money. It's all been pretty clear cut.
That's a very different thing.
That's a very different thing.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 12:00 pm to jonnyanony
Whic route you want to go? It’s all covered in anti trust law.
Bid rigging, monopolistic behavior, anti competitive merger. You could argue any of these if you deny g5 access.
Bid rigging, monopolistic behavior, anti competitive merger. You could argue any of these if you deny g5 access.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 12:02 pm to jonnyanony
Yeah it’s a total mess. Since you’re the one who asked for examples specifically of what others arguments are vis a vi anti trust when I get home and post them I’ll reply to the post I’m replying to right now again with them no matter where the thread is at, so that you will be able to easily track it
Posted on 12/21/25 at 12:02 pm to bamabaseballsec
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monopolistic behavior
No.
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anti competitive merger.
No.
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Bid rigging
Best of the three but extremely tenuous.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 12:08 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Only tenable solution
The best part for the maggots at ESPN/ABC is that just means more games, and more competitive games for them. They could run these during the week.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 12:23 pm to bamabaseballsec
quote:Nope. It is simple. 1-12 you are in. 13 and above you are out. No set asides. None.
You guys have a lot of misdirected hostility towards the playoffs system.
Does not get much simpler than that.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 12:23 pm to td01241
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Yeah it’s a total mess.
It's also less cut and dry.
The CFP is a private invitational tournament that's not even run by the NCAA. Pretty hard to win a case like this unless the CFP company (previously BCS) prevented anyone from creating their own post season tournament.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 12:42 pm to Lonnie Utah
I don’t think it matters much once the playoff goes to 16 (or possibly more-probably next year).
Most years in a 16 team playoff there will only be one JMU or Tulane and they can go to the #1 seed’s house and get steam rolled.
Basically a bye for the #1 seed.
Most years in a 16 team playoff there will only be one JMU or Tulane and they can go to the #1 seed’s house and get steam rolled.
Basically a bye for the #1 seed.
This post was edited on 12/21/25 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 12/21/25 at 12:45 pm to bamabaseballsec
Its "not fair" to actual competitors.
Posted on 12/21/25 at 12:54 pm to Lonnie Utah
After what we saw with Tulane and JMU there will be discussion about a separate playoff.
The thing is the FBS has expanded to 136 teams and there's a reason all these schools want to play at the top tier, the money.
Let's face it, the top teams need those G5's for the OOC games and the extra practice albeit under game conditions.
The G5's welcome the payoffs and exposure despite the losses.
This year the CFP felt letting them in was part of the bargain but we all saw how that played out so back to the drawing board.
Give the G5's something worth playing for and they will go along with it.
It's why they are here in the first place.
The thing is the FBS has expanded to 136 teams and there's a reason all these schools want to play at the top tier, the money.
Let's face it, the top teams need those G5's for the OOC games and the extra practice albeit under game conditions.
The G5's welcome the payoffs and exposure despite the losses.
This year the CFP felt letting them in was part of the bargain but we all saw how that played out so back to the drawing board.
Give the G5's something worth playing for and they will go along with it.
It's why they are here in the first place.
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