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re: The "you already lost to LSU" argument
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:19 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:19 pm to Wolfhound45
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Good stuff arty. Good stuff.
Just the facts ma'am.
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:20 pm to LNCHBOX
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You realize that was a fellow Gump telling you to stop, right Mr reading comprehension...
Not only that, he was also the OP.
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:27 pm to arty
Funny how this argument is ridiculous only to Tide fans! (Delusional fan base)If the shoe was on the other foot, you guys would be screaming, "You had your chance" from the top of every mountain! I totally understand you wanting another shot at LSU again but how can y'all not understand why other than your fan base NO ONE wants to see this rematch again? 
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:38 pm to Antonio Moss
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I know what happen. My point was pretty simple, but I'll explain it again so maybe you can understand this time.
Your "argument" was that the sack on third down was a result of the penalty because it made it an obvious passing down. My point was that third down would have been an obvious passing down regardless of the penalty.
Duh. The penalty is what drove them back 5 yards initially. They had already thrown and wasted a 1st down and gained no yards so the 2nd and 15 put them way behind the sticks. The decision to throw on 1st forced them to continue to throw after the incompletion and especially after the sack. It was a terrible decision to begin the series with a throw.
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Alabama had a 2nd and 10 and had been completely shut down in the run game for the last 7:00 minutes of the game. That's an obvious passing down.
It was only an obvious passing down after they started the series throwing and wasting a 1st down. See above.
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Then, they get a penalty to make it 2nd and 15.
Pass incomplete.
Now, remove the penalty from the equation and it would still have been 3rd and 10 - an obvious passing down.
So "2nd and 3rd and 10 are obvious passing downs."
You should have explained yourself better with the qualifier instead of making a blanket statement that 2nd and 3rd downs are obvious passing downs because in Saban's offense with Trent Richardson they're not, especially in OT when you're starting on the 25.
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And, like I pointed out earlier, Mathieu and Brooks running by your tackles and Montgomery shoving 2/5ths of your offensive line three yards into the backfield had more to do with the sack than anything Alabama did.
Not really. The decision to throw the ball on 1st down in OT had more to do with it than anything. It put Bama behind the sticks. From there everybody knew they were going to throw so it's not hard to bring more people than you can block.
If they had gained any positive yardage on 1st that series would have been different. But hey, the corndogs made the plays and Bama pissed away the opportunities. LSU won.
I want another opportunity to get beat. That's all that matters to me.
The corndogs want to beat up on the weak sisters of the poor and I don't blame them. I wouldn't want to have to face that defense again.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:39 pm to Govt Tide
Even if it works against my beloved LSU tigers, I don't believe you should be able to play for a national championship if you didn't win your conference, much less your division within the conference, Period.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:40 pm to TIGERVATO
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Funny how this argument is ridiculous only to Tide fans! (Delusional fan base)If the shoe was on the other foot, you guys would be screaming, "You had your chance" from the top of every mountain! I totally understand you wanting another shot at LSU again but how can y'all not understand why other than your fan base NO ONE wants to see this rematch again?
The funny thing is some people like myself admit if the shoe were on the other foot I wouldn't want to have to play an extra game and go through LSU's defense to get the crystal.
Now if we could just get you folks to admit that's why you want to play OSU instead of Bama it would clear the air.
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:40 pm to arty
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A 2nd and 15, a short field, 8 in the box, and a better night of passing than running led to the decision to throw it. I wouldn't have done it but I assume Saban was playing with what had been working best. It didn't work out.
But you don't think he would have done the same thing on 2nd and 10? And if he did, wouldn't that have led to 3rd and 10? Another obvious passing down?
Bottom line, if you throw on first down and don't complete it, it puts you in an obvious passing situation, or at least a very likely one. That's especially true in a game in which you rush for less than 100 yards.
So, the penalty didn't really have that much impact, except maybe on the distance of the FG, which didn't matter considering how badly y'all missed it.
But who cares about that anyway? Y'all made the mistake, we got the sack and that's how football works. On our OT possession, we didn't have to throw because our running game was working better than yours and we have a reliable FG kicker.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:41 pm to arty
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Just the facts ma'am.
Be nice little arty. Your talking to grownups now. You aren't at the daycare right now.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:42 pm to TIGERVATO
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Funny how this argument is ridiculous only to Tide fans! (Delusional fan base)If the shoe was on the other foot, you guys would be screaming, "You had your chance" from the top of every mountain! I totally understand you wanting another shot at LSU again but how can y'all not understand why other than your fan base NO ONE wants to see this rematch again?
There's that "delusional fan base" comment yet again.
Why is it delusional to suggest that Bama's loss to a #1 ranked team in OT shouldn't automatically disqualify them from the #2 spot when there are other 1 loss teams with losses against much worse teams? My argument has NEVER been that there aren't other legitimate arguments in favor of Okie State. My argument has only been that it most definitely IS ridiculous to argue that Alabama has no business being #2 because their standing at #2 would produce a rematch against #1 LSU because that wouldn't be fair. No, what wouldn't be fair is to forgo an honest evaluation of the 1 loss contenders for #2 and instead base the entire search for #2 based on what is "fair" to LSU instead of what is fair to the 3 or 4 teams with a legitimate argument for the #2 spot. For the 10,000th time, determining the #2 BCS team should have NOTHING to do with LSU.Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:45 pm to junkfunky
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Not only that, he was also the OP.
On a board full of corndogs circling like buzzards bloated with mustard, it's hard sometimes to pick out an affiliation especially when they don't have a team logo beside their name. I made the mistake. I can admit it. Now admit you don't want to play the Tide because it's easier going through the weak sisters of the poor.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:47 pm to Rex Manning
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You LSU fans are so self-centered about this.
Oh and you're not?
this.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:47 pm to arty
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You should have explained yourself better with the qualifier instead of making a blanket statement that 2nd and 3rd downs are obvious passing downs
I didn't think I had to spell it out for you. It really wasn't that difficult to decipher.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:47 pm to Govt Tide
Gumps...
you lost at home...
say hello to Houston....
see ya...
you lost at home...
say hello to Houston....
see ya...
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:47 pm to Wolfhound45
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Be nice little arty. Your talking to grownups now. You aren't at the daycare right now.
Could have fooled me.
Come on. Be a man, admit it. You'd rather play some weak arse OSU than Alabama for the title.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:48 pm to Daigeaux
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Gumps...
you lost at home...
say hello to Houston....
see ya...
Not too late to start that letter writing campaign is it?
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:49 pm to Antonio Moss
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I didn't think I had to spell it out for you. It really wasn't that difficult to decipher.
I don't speak corndog.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:49 pm to GumbeauxGuy
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Even if it works against my beloved LSU tigers, I don't believe you should be able to play for a national championship if you didn't win your conference, much less your division within the conference, Period.
Sure you would. I'm sure you disagreed with the dozens of LSU fans suggesting a rematch before the game was even played on Nov 5th. I'm also sure you would be against a rematch if LSU was the team that lost 9-6 in OT in Tuscaloosa. You'd be sitting EXACTLY where Alabama currently is in the polls by the way. I'm sure in that situation you'd gladly defer to Oklahoma St and judge your wins against Oregon, West Virginia, and Arkansas as no big deal and the general domination of the rest of your schedule as unworthy seeing as you didn't win your division and all. I'm SURE that would happen.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:51 pm to bigpapamac
I just like to debate the arguments at stake, both sides have their point but...
Why then are most playoff systems structured to CATER to the supposed "Best" team? March Madness? 1 vs. 16. NFL? First Round Byes. Etc.
In fact, in many sports people DO cater to the best team. Not that Playoffs = BCS, but let's get the stuff about not catering out of here as well.
Carry on.
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The BCS is about getting the two best teams on the field in a championship game, not about being the most fair or catering to the #1 team.
Why then are most playoff systems structured to CATER to the supposed "Best" team? March Madness? 1 vs. 16. NFL? First Round Byes. Etc.
In fact, in many sports people DO cater to the best team. Not that Playoffs = BCS, but let's get the stuff about not catering out of here as well.
Carry on.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:54 pm to Freauxzen
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Why then are most playoff systems structured to CATER to the supposed "Best" team? March Madness? 1 vs. 16. NFL? First Round Byes. Etc.
Because unfortunately college football doesn't have a playoff system therefore seeding doesn't apply.
Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:57 pm to Nuts4LSU
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But you don't think he would have done the same thing on 2nd and 10? And if he did, wouldn't that have led to 3rd and 10? Another obvious passing down?
Do you mean throwing the ball on 2nd and 10?
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Bottom line, if you throw on first down and don't complete it, it puts you in an obvious passing situation, or at least a very likely one. That's especially true in a game in which you rush for less than 100 yards.
It may be very likely in regulation, not in FG range when you don't have Richardson, Lacy or Fowler but it's not a given in Saban's offense in OT when you know you need to score something. That's why I was surprised he didn't try something on the ground first.
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So, the penalty didn't really have that much impact, except maybe on the distance of the FG, which didn't matter considering how badly y'all missed it.
Considering our FG kickers, every yard and where you kick from makes a difference.
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But who cares about that anyway? Y'all made the mistake, we got the sack and that's how football works. On our OT possession, we didn't have to throw because our running game was working better than yours and we have a reliable FG kicker.
It was more like you didn't have to throw because all you had to do was run it enough to get lined up for a FG. That's the beauty of winning the coin toss and playing defense first.
Bama has a better percentage of winning OT when they win the coin toss if I'm not mistaken. When they lost the toss I knew the odds weren't good.
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