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re: The Targeting penalty is broken

Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:53 am to
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6045 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:53 am to
That targeting call late in the fourth where the guy made a clean tackle around the waist-- if he kept his head up he would have broken his neck making the tackle. What is he supposed to do?
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
19888 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:55 am to
How many UGA players missing the next game for targeting?
Posted by goodgrin
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2003
6457 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:56 am to
We need to see comparison videos of what college football had in mind when they set the Targeting rule.

I bet the differences would be shocking from what the videos used for the discussion for setting the rule vs. what's being called recebtly (last night Georgia-Texas game).
Posted by dhuck20
SCLSU Fan
Member since Oct 2012
22005 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:58 am to
Yep and both were in 2nd half so now they miss the first half of Florida…
Posted by borotiger
Murfreesboro Tennessee
Member since Jan 2004
12286 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:59 am to
quote:

Hard hit= flag and they look for targeting


This is what bothers me the most. If a player gets hit hard, the refs automatically drop a flag for "personal foul with targeting" with the expectation that it will be reviewed - like it's better to be safe than sorry. However, if they review and find it to be a clean hit, the targeting aspect is removed but they can't remove the personal foul.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:59 am to
I agree. It is a nice tool to manipulate games inasmuch as “the booth” can do it anonymously. The first one was an awful call (against Jackson). All in all the officiating gets a richly deserved F.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:00 am to
Agree 100%
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
18923 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:02 am to
quote:

Ive seen it misapplied all year in various games but last night vs Tx it reached the point of absurdity.


Actually last week in BR was mind boggling. How do you now include “intent” there but not last night.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:02 am to
Well the unspoken ugly truth is that elimination of the helmets would straighten all of the out.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:06 am to
The rule is not practically enforceable. It’s a tool for manipulation.
Posted by dhuck20
SCLSU Fan
Member since Oct 2012
22005 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:06 am to
quote:

How many UGA players missing the next game for targeting?

2

Aguero and Dan Jackson.

Sark wanted it called on Bolden too. And Fowler and Kirk mentioned it 2-3 more times as well. It was pathetic
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:07 am to
This. It will never happen.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:10 am to
The irony is that CTE correlates with total number of blows to the head most of which are sub concussive. The same as the total jabs a boxer eats. It’s a fake solution to a real problem. With soccer players it correlates with lifetime headers.
Posted by SemperFiDawg
Member since Sep 2014
2937 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:13 am to
quote:

And Fowler and Kirk mentioned it 2-3 more times as well. It was pathetic


Yep Hebstriet (sp?) lobbied for it for big time. That would have given us 3 suspended next game for making form tackles.
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
4065 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:14 am to
quote:

The 2nd Georgia player ejected- I’m sorry, but I will go to my grave thinking that was a form tackle.
You could see the white stripe on Aguero’s helmet to the side of the Texas player which would mean the “crown” of his helmet wasn’t making contact with the receiver. It wasn’t targeting. Georgia’s been tackling like arse all season…they finally have a good game tackling and this is the bullshite they deal with.
Posted by War Eagle 777
Georgia
Member since Nov 2010
366 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:19 am to
quote:

he ejection aspect should be removed entirely


Ejection should occur only after a second targeting call against the same player in the same game.

If you are serious about CTE either (1) remove helmets from the game entirely (2) require the wearing of the protective padding over the helmet or (3) go back to leather helmets
Posted by Murph4HOF
A-T-L-A-N-T-A (that's where I stay)
Member since Sep 2019
15442 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:24 am to
quote:

Hard hit= flag and they look for targeting... Which could be applied to basically every tackle.
quote:

The ejection aspect should be removed entirely
I agree, but would add that forcible contact to the helmet should be a 15 yarder and then crown of the helmet, helmet to helmet contact should be an ejection.

The targeting penalty on UGA in the 2nd half was the right call by the way the rule is written, but 10 years ago that was just a hard football hit.

Look at the pads a QB wears today vs Peyton Mannings rookie year in the NFL. QBs actually needed protection then and now the rules protect the QB from what used to be just hard, good football hits. WRs are moving that way too.





And Allen wears beefier pads than many NFL QBs.
Posted by ukraine_rebel
North Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
3195 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:26 am to
Not lower the crown of your head.
Posted by Chip82
Athens, Georgia
Member since Jan 2023
1408 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:27 am to
quote:

Neither of those two targeting calls were actually targeting. Both were just really hard hits.


The Aguero one was not helmet to helmet and not centered.

When the announcers started talking about how it can be anything leading with a crouch it becomes totally subjective because there is no way you can judge if a player is trying to avoid a helmet to helmet tackle when the offensive player lowers their body to absorb a hit.
Posted by Chip82
Athens, Georgia
Member since Jan 2023
1408 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:31 am to
quote:

this is the bullshite they deal with.


And yet Sankey claims that there are no problems with bias in SEC officiating.

This game proved that there is.
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