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re: The SECrants thoughts on Tennessee football
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:37 pm to UTVols2618
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:37 pm to UTVols2618
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Its not fair to judge Dooley until this year. He hasn't been given a fair chance. We have only gotten redshirt about 5 guys the past 2 years because depth has been so bad. Ut finally has SEC size this year.
Yes, he has. He has not beaten a single team with better talent than him and lost to UK with a WR playing QB. The way he's recruiting, he will never have more talent than UGA, Bama, LSU, UF, or AU.
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Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:38 pm to UTVols2618
Mike Gundy did not win instanly, his 1st five seasons
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Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:38 pm to KillianRussell
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1995 Michigan State 6–5–1
1996 Michigan State 6–6
1997 Michigan State 7–5
1998 Michigan State 6–6
1999 Michigan State 9–2
Saban always had winning seasons at Michigan State. At the time the Big 10 a top tier conference.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:42 pm to KillianRussell
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It took a then unknown Nick Saban 4 years until he got Michigan State to 9-2
1995 Michigan State 6–5–1
1996 Michigan State 6–6
1997 Michigan State 7–5
1998 Michigan State 6–6
1999 Michigan State 9–2
Michigan State was on probation for a couple of those years which caused them to have major depth issues. Saban also had a lot of big wins in his first four years at Michigan State. He beat Michigan in his first year, beat Notre Dame a couple times in convincing fashion, destroyed a very good Penn State team in 1997, took down #1 Ohio State at the horseshoe in 1998, etc... What is Dooley's signature win? The guy is ecstatic about beating Vanderbilt for crying out loud.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:43 pm to UKWildcatsFAN
Dooley 6-7 & 5-7 not so far apart from Saban's 1st two years at Michigan State 6–5–1 & 6–6, split hairs if you want, I do not have enough data to doom Dooley a failure
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:43 pm to volfan30
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Yes, he has. He has not beaten a single team with better talent than him and lost to UK with a WR playing QB. The way he's recruiting, he will never have more talent than UGA, Bama, LSU, UF, or AU.
lol, Saban lost ULM, Miles lost to La Tech, Spurrier lost to Vandy two years in a row.
In 2010, Dooley was ranked above UGA in recruiting.
In 2011, Dooley was ranked right behind UF in recruiting.
In 2012, Dooley was ranked ahead of LSU.
So your wrong on that.
Its hard to do that when UT is playing a team full of freshmen his first year, and then loses his 4 best players the second year. Not to mention, UT has had a top 5 strength of schedule for the past 2 years.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:46 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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Michigan State was on probation for a couple of those years which caused them to have major depth issues. Saban also had a lot of big wins in his first four years at Michigan State. He beat Michigan in his first year, beat Notre Dame a couple times in convincing fashion, destroyed a very good Penn State team in 1997, took down #1 Ohio State at the horseshoe in 1998, etc... What is Dooley's signature win? The guy is ecstatic about beating Vanderbilt for crying out loud.
Did Tennessee not have major depth issues? We had to start two walkons on defense his first year and have played over 20 freshmen each year for the past 2 years. Tennessee has pretty much been on probation.
Name the last time a top SEC school got a bad loss? It doesn't happen a lot at all. Iowa State beats good teams all the time, does that mean their coach is one of the greatest?
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Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:47 pm to UTVols2618
even with our recent struggles we are still a better program than 3/4 of the SEC. fricking deal with it.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:48 pm to UTVols2618
The Big Ten in the 90's was not better than today's SEC
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:49 pm to UTVols2618
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Les Miles at Okie State
2001 Oklahoma State 4–7 2–6
2002 Oklahoma State 8–5 5–3
2003 Oklahoma State 9–4 5–3
2004 Oklahoma State 7–5 4–4
Not exactly spectacular.
Les Miles beat Oklahoma in back to back years when they were ranked in the top 5. That achievement is even more impressive considering how lopsided the head to head is between Oklahoma and Oklahoma State through the course of the rivalry.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:49 pm to UTVols2618
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In state talent is a lot better than you think it is.
Georgia 65 (21.2%)
Florida 40 (13.0%)
Texas 33 (10.7%)
Mississippi 31 (10.1%)
Alabama 25 (8.1%)
Louisiana 21 (6.8%)
Tennessee 20 (6.5%)
That was from last year. Tennessee had 20 S
No, in-state talent is pretty much right where I think it is. Rivals ranks the top 40 players in the state of Alabama, but only the top 25 in Tennessee, even though Tennessee has about 1.6 million more people. Why is that?
Alabama, with a significantly smaller population, had two 5 stars and ten 4 stars. Tennessee had no 5 stars and ten 4 stars.
According to your numbers, Tennessee had 11 fewer SEC signees than the state of Mississippi, even though Tennessee's population is more than double Mississippi's.
And those 20 SEC signees from Tennessee? 6 to Vandy, 2 to Ole Miss, 1 to Miss. State, 1 to UK. Not exactly top tier teams
In the current Rivals 100 for 2013, four are from Alabama, two are from MIssissippi. Zero are from Tennessee.
Tennessee's HS talent, year in and year out, is not that good, especially relative to the population of the state.
This post was edited on 4/8/12 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:50 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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Les Miles beat Oklahoma in back to back years when they were ranked in the top 5. That achievement is even more impressive considering how lopsided the head to head is between Oklahoma and Oklahoma State through the course of the rivalry.
He also lost to La Tech and Southern Miss....
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:55 pm to UTVols2618
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He also lost to La Tech and Southern Miss....
I'm sure Oklahoma State fans coped fine with the losses to Louisiana Tech and Southern Miss after Les beat their biggest rival at the height of their powers in back to back years.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 12:56 pm to Crockett
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The SECrants thoughts on Tennessee football
even with our recent struggles we are still a better program than 3/4 of the SEC. fricking deal with
Right now, only an idiot would say that you're a better program than Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, USC, or Georgia. That puts you no better than 6 out of 14..better than a little over half of the teams.
And the reality is that right now, you're not better than Florida, Vandy, or Missouri either.
But, just for the sake of argument, let's say you're right. Let's say that you're better than 75% of the rest of the league.
That puts you 4th in a 14 team conference. We're plenty happy with you being 4th. You guys are the ones who need to "fricking deal with it" because it's as high as you're gonna get for a long, long time.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:01 pm to BamaGradinTn
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No, in-state talent is pretty much right where I think it is. Rivals ranks the top 40 players in the state of Alabama, but only the top 25 in Tennessee, even though Tennessee has about 1.6 million more people. Why is that?
Alabama, with a significantly smaller population, had two 5 stars and ten 4 stars. Tennessee had no 5 stars and ten 4 stars.
According to your numbers, Tennessee had 11 fewer SEC signees than the state of Mississippi, even though Tennessee's population is more than double Mississippi's.
And those 20 SEC signees from Tennessee? 6 to Vandy, 2 to Ole Miss, 1 to Miss. State, 1 to UK. Not exactly top tier teams
In the current Rivals 100 for 2013, four are from Alabama, two are from MIssissippi. Zero are from Tennessee.
Tennessee's HS talent, year in and year out, is not good that good, especially relative to the population of the state.
Todd Kelly jr will more than likely be 5 star prospect in 2014 and Vonn Bell lives in Tennessee and is considered the #2 safety on 247. I could easily argue that Jalen Ramsey should be a 5 star.
What does population have to do with anything? It doesn't matter Tennessee has more people, they still produced 5 less SEC players than Alabama,which is the only important stat.
Tennessee talent is light years better than what it used to be and next year is going to even better than this year.
Alabama had Vandy had 3, UK 1, Ole Miss 1, Miss State 2, Arkansas 2. That stat can go both ways.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:02 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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I'm sure Oklahoma State fans coped fine with the losses to Louisiana Tech and Southern Miss after Les beat their biggest rival at the height of their powers in back to back years.
To an extent, but I'd rather lose to Bama both years and finish off with a great record than beat Bama 2 straight years but end up 7-5.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:04 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Down for now, but I don't see it being for 15-20 yrs long like your OP might suggest.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:07 pm to BamaGradinTn
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with a significantly smaller population
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Tennessee's population is more than double Mississippi's.
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relative to the population of the state.
Irrelevant. The populations are pretty much fixed. It is similar to when LSU/MS fans claim that their states produce more talent than CA or FL because of NFL players per capita. Per capita does not matter in this situation, it is about volume of talent.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:12 pm to volfan30
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Irrelevant. The populations are pretty much fixed. It is similar to when LSU/MS fans claim that their states produce more talent than CA or FL because of NFL players per capita. Per capita does not matter in this situation, it is about volume of talent.
Then forget population and let's just focus on talent. Rivals only sees fit to rank 25 players in Tennessee every year but 40 in Alabama. More players from Alabama go to top tier programs than from Tennessee.
Posted on 4/8/12 at 1:13 pm to UTVols2618
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It doesn't matter Tennessee has more people, they still produced 5 less SEC players than Alabama,which is the only important stat.
And 11 less than Mississippi.
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