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re: The SEC gauntlet schedule mythos

Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:16 am to
Posted by TideFaninFl
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:16 am to
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Texas will be able to recruit better. This will cancel out any theoretical gauntlet.


Texas has had trouble winning the NC playing out of the Big 12, and you think that playing in the SEC will be easier?

The SEC has had 5 teams win the NC in recent years, and some of them were against Texas and Oklahoma. Also most if not all of the SEC teams win their bowl games.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:16 am to
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Didn't you guys just play texsa? Seems like you got beat up, not them, from what I recall.


Yes. Texas is a really good team this year with a lot of NFL talent as I stated. The point is you are playing rosters loaded with NFL talent most weeks in the SEC. That is not the case in the Big 12 most years.
Posted by DBird
Member since Nov 2023
713 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:17 am to
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perennial powerhouses A&M, South Carolina, Kentucky and Arkansas this year!!!


Arkansas has beat ya'll the last two times. You're right it doesn't take a perennial powerhouses.

This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 10:18 am
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:17 am to
If you can’t understand that all we’re saying is our middle-tier teams are stronger and more physical than other conferences middle-tier teams, then you can’t be helped. If you want to cherry pick THIS YEARS inter conference records, have at it. Look at the historical records and you’ll see that half the conference has winning records over all the other P5 conferences.

Eta and a lot of other teams have close to .500 records.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 10:19 am
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:18 am to
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Lol y'all are the ones asking to be worshipped, not Texas and OU. Don't be mad because facts refute your delusions



how many big matchups were there in the ACC and Big 12 games vs sec this year.

Texas beat bama-great win for Texas but I doubt Texas would be favored 4 months later

USCe lost twice to Clemson and UNC
Ark lost to BYU
LSU lost to FSU-good win for FSU and their best win

UK beat the L'ville...one of the teams in ACC championship

Posted by TideFaninFl
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:18 am to
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Can anybody show me all the players aggot and mizzou lost to injury in their first season in your league "cuz of dat SEC griiinnd"?


Can anyone show me how many NC any Big 12 teams has won against the SEC?
Posted by Shea Vinnerbush
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:19 am to
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The point is you are playing rosters loaded with NFL talent most weeks in the SEC. That is not the case in the Big 12 most years.
Most Texas and OU fans agree: we're entering a better conference with some better teams. Namely Alabama, Georgia, LSU and Florida (the teams with consistently the most pro prospects).

We're laughing at the notion of the lower-tier teams like Kentucky, South Carolina, A&M, Arkansas, etc... bloating themselves up because they share a league with those four aforementioned teams.

Sure, a&m's had plenty of talent (including the "best recruiting class of all time") but talent only gets you so far apparently.

Texas will have an uptick in competition. But to pretend like they're going from playing high schools to playing in the NFL is laughable. Especially considering Texas has scheduled non-conference ambitiously and has consistently had a higher ranked SOS than half of the schools in the SEC over the past 10-15 years already
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:20 am to
Look the Vandy game this year of all the games probably ruined UGA’s chance at a three peat. Brock Bowers got banged up in that game and it really hurt UGA in the SECCG. If he is healthy I don’t know if UGA wins that game still but I know Bowers being banged up like he was didn’t help. This league can change the coarse of a season because it can take your star players out in a hurry.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:21 am to
In 2014 there were 93 NFL Defensive Lineman from South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana. There were 27 from ALL of the Big 12 States. Almost 4 times as many from an area about 80% the size of Texas. I will work on current numbers but does anyone thing it has gotten much better???

I haven't found the information on Offensive linemen but it will be similar. Its an observable fact when you visit both areas....the SE is FULL of high school football players with the basic physical attributes need to play on the line in the NFL. Texas and the rest of the Big 12 area is not. There is a ton of QBs, running backs and receivers but there aren't nearly as many linemen. Football is won in the trenches and won at a high level who are extremely physical in the trenches. Today you need to be 2-3 deep at every position along the line. In the last 3 seasons UGA is a better than mediocre football team if they had an above average offensive and defensive line. They had an elite offensive and defensive line and have been an elite program because of it.

Watch UGA and Alabama when Alabama is doing what Alabama normally does. They simply lean on people at the line on both sides of the ball and smother them in the trenches. 2-3 yard runs between the tackles turn into 7-8 yard runs midway through the third quarter when your smaller and less deep D line is sucking for wind and wore slap the frick out. The same is true on the other side of the ball....all of a sudden those edge rushers are getting home and your taking a TFL between the tackles and watching a nose tackle beat your tailback to the corner. This is why UGA and Alabama games are so competitive...because they both have the talent and depth to simply smother opponents over a 60 minute game in the trenches. The Big 12 hasn't played that kind of football in years and years. They have beaten some SEC teams but there is a HUGE difference between doing so once a year and doing so 7 times a year....just like UGA and Bama starts leaning on you midway through the third the entire conference starts to do it midway through the season...and if you do not have the depth you will be smothered. UT and Oklahoma will have comparable or much better skill players than most of the SEC, even at the top of the SEC, they will not have the linemen to impose their will on the top of the SEC for several recruiting cycles.
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
12912 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:21 am to
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Yes. Texas is a really good team this year with a lot of NFL talent as I stated. The point is you are playing rosters loaded with NFL talent most weeks in the SEC. That is not the case in the Big 12 most years.


No you aren't playing against teams with "loaded rosters of NFL talent most weeks".
Posted by Shea Vinnerbush
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2023
2162 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:22 am to
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Ark lost to BYU
Don't you see how this kind of makes our point for us? You're saying that "the entire SEC is a grind" yet bottom feeder big 12 teams are basically the same as bottom feeder SEC teams...
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exas beat bama-great win for Texas but I doubt Texas would be favored 4 months later
Welp. Might as well pack it in. No point in playing the game, right?

Shouldn't Oregon be in the playoffs instead of Washington? I mean, I know Washington beat them again, but Vegas told us they were 9.5 points better in December, so why even play the game?
Posted by TideFaninFl
On the space coast
Member since Oct 2017
6768 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:22 am to
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did you miss my qualifier that I said in the modern NIL/transfer portal era?


I doubt that Texas Tech will be able to match Auburn's recruiting even in that era.

Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
12912 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:23 am to
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Look the Vandy game this year of all the games probably ruined UGA’s chance at a three peat. Brock Bowers got banged up in that game and it really hurt UGA in the SECCG. If he is healthy I don’t know if UGA wins that game still but I know Bowers being banged up like he was didn’t help. This league can change the coarse of a season because it can take your star players out in a hurry.


That happens in every league.
Posted by Shea Vinnerbush
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:23 am to
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I doubt that Texas Tech will be able to match Auburn's recruiting even in that era
Or New Mexico State's
Posted by 49 to nada
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Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:23 am to
Unlike the OP, most Texas alums and fans I talk to know the SEC will be a tougher league to play in week to week and it's not all hype. On the other hand those same people are aware that a certain percentage of it IS hype..mostly created by ESPN and to a lesser degree CBS. That last part is why we had to leave the Big 12. No sane Texas fan expects to come in and win the SEC right away, but we also aren't resigned to being kicked down to bottom feeder status either. The times in recent years we've faced SEC teams (Georgia, LSU and Bama twice) we're 2-2 with a dropped touchdown pass (by a RB who moved along to USC) against the "best college team ever" being the difference in one game, and an incompetent and dirty Big12 officiating crew not crediting us for a safety the difference in the other loss. No, that doesn't mean going through the mid to lower tier SEC teams will be the same as their counterparts in the Big12, but the difference is we will no longer be every teams Superbowl. Like I said in another thread, Big 12 coaches have one thing that can keep them from getting fired..beat Texas or OU. Beating both in the same season gets them an extension and significant raise...that won't be the case in the SEC. Yes, we may face more NFL ready players on a weekly basis, but we have NFL players of our own as well. Nobody will have an easy time in the SEC, and it just gets a little bit harder for everyone next season.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
32298 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:24 am to
The grind in the SEC happens in the trenches. It has always been what separates the leagues.
Posted by bamaoldtimer
Member since Dec 2009
1282 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:24 am to
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Where does this narrative come from? Because it sounds like wishcasting and a coping mechanism for the 75% of SEC schools who consistently suck and need an explanation for why they can’t put together a sustainable winning run, and it sounds like the last gasp hope of the forever middling teams who will immediately be leapfrogged in respect and competitiveness by Texas and OU’s entry to the conference.

In short; why do teams like A&M and Mizzou and Miss St and UK and Tenn and Auburn love the “SEC is a gauntlet” mythos?


Wow! Good troll. I’ll bite.

You will see starting next year. Aggie was correct.

Correction. If and I don’t think you will get past Washington and you get a repeat with Bama, you will see what a pissed off Crimson Tide team will do. Oh boy, what a beat down that will be in your backyard.
Posted by PerrillouxToTexas
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:25 am to
"It's true because darn it, it just feels true!"
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
32298 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:26 am to
Yeah if Bama and UTa play again it will be ugly.
Posted by Ptins944
Member since Jan 2019
2008 posts
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:26 am to
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The lesser teams in the SEC have NFL players in their front 7.
In reality, the SEC looks more like a version of the 2000's B12 than an older SEC league. Alabama & Georgia are strong across the board, but the other 12 are similar to everybody else.

In the 1st round of the 2023 NFL Draft;

The B12 had more lineman drafted than the "line of scrimmage league"

There were 9 DL drafted,
3 from B12
3 ACC
2 from B10
1 from SEC.

There were 4 OL drafted,
2 from SEC
1 from B12
1 from B10

In total,
9 from SEC, 14 schools, 3 each from AL & GA
9 from B10, 14 schools, 3 from OSU
6 from B12, 10 schools, 1 each from 6 schools
4 from ACC, 14 schools
3 from P12, 12 schools

1 Carolina Panthers Bryce Young QB Alabama SEC
2 Houston Texans C. J. Stroud QB Ohio State BIG
3 Houston Texans Will Anderson Jr. LB Alabama SEC
4 Indianapolis Colts Anthony Richardson QB Florida SEC
5 Seattle Seahawks Devon Witherspoon CB Illinois BIG
6 Arizona Cardinals Paris Johnson Jr. OT Ohio State BIG
7 Las Vegas Raiders Tyree Wilson DE Texas Tech B12
8 Atlanta Falcons Bijan Robinson RB Texas B12
9 Philadelphia Eagles Jalen Carter DT Georgia SEC
10 Chicago Bears Darnell Wright OT Tennessee SEC
11 Tennessee Titans Peter Skoronski OT Northwestern BIG
12 Detroit Lions Jahmyr Gibbs RB Alabama SEC
13 Green Bay Packers Lukas Van Ness DE Iowa BIG
14 Pittsburgh Steelers Broderick Jones OT Georgia SEC
15 New York Jets Will McDonald IV DE Iowa State B12
16 Washington Commanders Emmanuel Forbes CB Mississippi State SEC
17 New England Patriots Christian Gonzalez CB Oregon P12
18 Detroit Lions Jack Campbell LB Iowa BIG
19 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Calijah Kancey DT Pittsburgh ACC
20 Seattle Seahawks Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR Ohio State BIG
21 Los Angeles Chargers Quentin Johnston WR TCU B12
22 Baltimore Ravens Zay Flowers WR Boston College ACC
23 Minnesota Vikings Jordan Addison WR USC P12
24 New York Giants Deonte Banks CB Maryland BIG
25 Buffalo Bills Dalton Kincaid TE Utah P12
26 Dallas Cowboys Mazi Smith DT Michigan BIG
27 Jacksonville Jaguars Anton Harrison OT Oklahoma B12
28 Cincinnati Bengals Myles Murphy DE Clemson ACC
29 New Orleans Saints Bryan Bresee DT Clemson
ACC
30 Philadelphia Eagles Nolan Smith LB Georgia SEC
31 Kansas City Chiefs Felix Anudike-Uzomah DE Kansas State B12
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