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re: The reason the Playoffs will NEVER expand

Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:57 pm to
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
20728 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:57 pm to
I just turned a game off because the announcers were intolerable.

Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
14812 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:59 pm to
As mentioned before , if you put first round at home....., big bucks
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23167 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:00 pm to
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Friendly fire - but it must be done. National 30-second ads during the Birmingham Bowl were going for as little as $5200 as late as the day of the game


You're reaching here. Most of the ads were sold in advance to national advertisers at their contract rate, well above that amount. A handful still being available at essentially a pickup rate is not that uncommon, especially for a daytime show.

ESPN's average is only $31k per slot, and that includes primetime spots, playoffs, and MNF.

Look, I know you don't want to believe me, but I spent many years in the media industry. There is a reason that cable networks, streaming sites, and ESPN produce their own content now, and there's a reason that the ESPN Events arm of the company is still adding to it's ownership of bowl games. There is still profit in it, Unlike the NBA, and Monday Night Football, even if an individual game or two falls below the profitability threshhold.
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 10:03 pm
Posted by stang22
Member since Nov 2013
54 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:01 pm to
Uh......

Waiting to hear your plan for the next round when you have the 5-6 winner and the four teams with byes still alive.
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
26816 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:01 pm to
Which is why they will do home field advantage for the first round of playoffs. Fans can’t afgord to travel to Miami and then Santa Clara for these games. Home field for 1-4 ensures the stadiums will be full at least for those four games.

Also the regular season will have to be shrunk by a game or two. These guys are still students and the weeks off after regular season they have finals and what not. 16 games is too much for 17-22 yr olds who have student obligations as well.
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 10:03 pm
Posted by TexTgrTed
Parker County, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
6339 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:02 pm to
Math not your strongest subject.

A 5-6 game winner would leave 5 teams still in.

Only way for 6 teams to work would be bye for 1-2 & 3-6/4-5 winners play 1-2.

Need to go to 8 teams w/1st round on campus.
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 10:04 pm
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
20728 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:09 pm to
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I vote for 6. 5-6 play first game at 5s home field.


You’re confusing me Herman.

What’s worse is that I agree with Jacknola.
Posted by TrendingRight
Mentone
Member since Jul 2017
675 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:10 pm to
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Look, I know you don't want to believe me, but I spent many years in the media industry. There is a reason that cable networks, streaming sites, and ESPN produce their own content now, and there's a reason that the ESPN Events arm of the company is still adding to it's ownership of bowl games. There is still profit in it, Unlike the NBA, and Monday Night Football, even if an individual game or two falls below the profitability threshhold.

I know you won't believe me either. Until recently I was part-owner of several terrestrial TV/Radio stations. I know what ad rates are for Bowl games - and it's peanuts for shitty bowl games. They are loss leaders for the entire College Football package but they've become such big losers they jeopardize the entire College Football Bowl & Playoff Package.

This is my last post in this thread. Expanding the Playoffs will damage College Football. I'm flying out early tomorrow morning to go to the Orange Bowl. I'm sitting in a prime Suite with 3 friends. One of my business pals got half of a Suite at the Orange Bowl for $2500. That's disgustingly cheap to see Alabama Play Oklahoma in a Playoff game. That price for half of a Suite for a game of this magnitude proves College Football is in trouble.
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 10:23 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23167 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:49 pm to
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They are loss leaders for the entire College Football package


Except that they aren't part of the package.

The shitty bowls are self created content. Even the Birmingham bowl has roughly $1 million in sponsorships, $500k from the city, maybe $750k for advertising, and well in excess of $1 million in ticket sales. That is easily more than enough to cover the $1.95m payout, plus the minimal (relatively) cost of production. The costs for talent, equipment, etc., are already sunk. They don't even have to lease the venue.

If any games are losing money, it's the mid tier between the shitty ones and the playoffs that ESPN doesn't own.

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Expanding the Playoffs will damage College Football.


I agree with this completely.

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That price for half of a Suite for a game of this magnitude proves College Football is in trouble.


Or, it proves that, like all other content in the media, whether news or entertainment, that people are no longer willing to pay for it and alternate revenue streams will continue to be introduced.
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 10:56 pm
Posted by bayoubengal2007
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2015
67 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:58 pm to
Idk why no one ever considers this as an option, but do what the nfl does. Top 6, 1 and 2 get a bye week.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
28853 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 11:05 pm to
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It won’t be the doom of college football. Quit yelling at clouds.


He's not wrong. Even with 4 teams, there have been 8 semifinal games so far. 6 of them have been blowouts. There will be two more tomorrow.

Expansion will just mean even more blowouts.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
28853 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 11:15 pm to
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Most seasons there are not eight teams with the record and power credentials to deserve to be in the CFPO conversation.


I agree with this 1,000%.

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...and do away with conference championship games


This will never happen. They make too much money.

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Will lead to ever more NFL prospects opting out of ever larger portions of their last season because their team cannot make the final eight.


Actually, the reverse might happen. Twice as many teams will be in the playoffs, so instead of 4 teams being immune to people dropping out, there will be at least eight.

Personally, I don't care if players opt out of the bowls. Even if you have 100 players sit out...equivalent to more than the entire first three rounds of the draft...which you probably never have...that's an average of less than two players per bowl team. And really, who gives a shite whether or not Will Grier played? 84 other kids played. They got 20 more days of practice. Fans still got to watch their teams play teams they normally don't play. Diehard fans still got to travel to a different destination. Will Grier not playing didn't affect whether or not I was going to watch that game.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
28853 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 11:16 pm to
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I vote for 6. 5-6 play first game at 5s home field.


So now you have 5 teams left. Then what?
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
60706 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 11:31 pm to
Not saying you are wrong but other reasons probably are more correct

#1 B1G and PAC have lots of eyeballs but the Rose Bowl has been marginalized as neither conference has created multiple MNC winners.

#2 Money is getting stupid and fewer folks with that kind of dough

#3 Average kids no longer play football as kids, this catches up as they age

#4 Schools get fewer tickets and more go to scalpers who have no rooting interest
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23167 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:42 am to
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Also the regular season will have to be shrunk by a game or two.


Well, we know that they won't be conference games. The games lost will be the throwaway games. But then you have to ask yourself, will 60 teams on the outside in the P5 give up the revenue from a home game so that 4 teams can keep one?
This post was edited on 12/29/18 at 12:43 am
Posted by bigman334
Member since Jul 2013
2417 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 2:13 am to
oh they are expanding. just a matter of when. i'd think if they expand, it will possibly include some on campus games
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
19531 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 4:37 am to
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An 8 team playoff is inevitable.


Old bowl tie in system was better and so was the BCS
Posted by SquirrelyBama
Member since Nov 2011
6389 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 6:30 am to
If playoff were to expand, they should give top 4 seeds homeland during first round. Doing this might help keep regular season just has important as it is now, and prevent coaches from sitting players during season ending season rivalry games and such. Regardless, I think 4 teams is right number of teams rewarded and no matter the number, someone will always feel left out.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
77206 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 6:59 am to
8 teams is coming
Posted by Cobb Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
9804 posts
Posted on 12/29/18 at 7:58 am to
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