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re: The real reason for Florida's downfall
Posted on 8/4/14 at 9:10 am to SwampRaised
Posted on 8/4/14 at 9:10 am to SwampRaised
It's team psyche and injuries.
Urban destroyed the team psyche when he quit on them. Boom has worked hard to rebuild it.
Last year the team was decimated by injuries. With the 85 scholarship limit no team would have the depth to overcome losing that many starters.
Urban destroyed the team psyche when he quit on them. Boom has worked hard to rebuild it.
Last year the team was decimated by injuries. With the 85 scholarship limit no team would have the depth to overcome losing that many starters.
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Posted on 8/4/14 at 9:16 am to SwampRaised
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McCarron
What?
Posted on 8/4/14 at 9:46 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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McCarron
Maybe referencing the chest/back/arm sleeve tat? Idk.
AJ is a good guy though. I've got a lot of respect for him.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:02 pm to RGJ18
I'm starting to become amazed at how many people have bought into the fiction about Urban leaving an empty cupboard. Truth is Urban left Florida with as much defensive talent as any team in America, and left an above average level of offensive talent-- but Muschamp ran off much of the offensive talent in between being announced as Head Coach and his first game with his pigheaded insistence on immediately shifting to big dumb Will Muschamp football, where time of possession is king, downfield passing a newfangled fad, and runs don't count unless they're up the middle into the teeth of defense.
Florida had offensive depth issues in Muschamp's first few seasons but its a problem in large part of his own making.
Florida had offensive depth issues in Muschamp's first few seasons but its a problem in large part of his own making.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:36 pm to c on z
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How on earth do you leave out this guy?
I was thinking the same thing. 2003 we didn't have any did we?
Posted on 8/4/14 at 12:41 pm to SwampRaised
Lost me with Amari Cooper. The twitter you are referring to was not his. Shows you do not know what your talking about. 
Posted on 8/4/14 at 1:03 pm to socraticsilence
i have a friend who has been on staff with multiple major college programs and nfl programs. he interviewed at florida with muschamp. first, he was surprised during his tour of the facilities how outdated they were. when he brought this up and his salary with the a.d., he was told "this isn't the nfl." incidentally, he gave a salary number commensurate with other prominent sec programs for that position. btw, he's back in the nfl now so, florida missed out on a highly sought after staff member because of their parochial attitude. they hired someone who had very little experience at a bargain rate. moreover, my friend pointed out that florida has been having problems in the area he coaches. he pointed that out to muschamp as well. either muschamp doesn't care or doesn't have the clout to overrule the a.d.
if I were a gator fan and heard that info, that would disappoint me. I know that at lsu/bama/a&m, the goal is to be as good as an nfl program and to spend whatever it takes to get there and outpace the competition. I never thought hiring muschamp as head coach was a good idea for a program with the stature of florida since he had no experience but, I had no idea that certain areas of the program were falling so far behind the competition.
cue the indignant gator fans
if I were a gator fan and heard that info, that would disappoint me. I know that at lsu/bama/a&m, the goal is to be as good as an nfl program and to spend whatever it takes to get there and outpace the competition. I never thought hiring muschamp as head coach was a good idea for a program with the stature of florida since he had no experience but, I had no idea that certain areas of the program were falling so far behind the competition.
cue the indignant gator fans
This post was edited on 8/4/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 8/4/14 at 1:18 pm to bfniii
I'm not indignant. There are obviously problems within the program. But, excuse us if we doubt a random guy on a message board who has a "friend" who's a coach.
I "know" a well known and extremely wealthy donor.
There has been quite a bit of infighting between the Bull Gators. It mostly has to do with one man. Some want him fired, while others want to give him another chance. Hence, some of the donations have been down.
As for the facilities being outdated. That is a bunch of bullshite. All you have to do is look at the Gators website to prove this wrong.
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I "know" a well known and extremely wealthy donor.
There has been quite a bit of infighting between the Bull Gators. It mostly has to do with one man. Some want him fired, while others want to give him another chance. Hence, some of the donations have been down.
As for the facilities being outdated. That is a bunch of bullshite. All you have to do is look at the Gators website to prove this wrong.
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This post was edited on 8/4/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 8/4/14 at 1:49 pm to Edearl Watson
I figured there would be unnecessary skepticism. Nothing I said is a huge surprise except for maybe the a.d. comments. Even that shouldn't be if you look at the facilities. A few pictures of a building exterior don't show the whole story, such as equipment, which is part of what I was referring to. Moreover, the area they are having problems in, which substantiates my story isn't terribly hard to find for insiders or people who work at that position. People who pay attention to such things are probably already aware of them.
Incidentally, I like Florida and was quite disappointed to hear all this.
Incidentally, I like Florida and was quite disappointed to hear all this.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 1:56 pm to socraticsilence
You mus be Urb's publicist.
UF did not have much offensive talent. When a converted TE like Jordan Reed is one of your top playmakers, you have serious limitations. Urbs had recruited the worst collection of OL 'talent' I have ever seen in Gainesville. The Gators had the worst OL in the SEC for 2-3 years running. As bad as they were at the point of attack on run plays, they were far worse on pass pro. A simple end/tackle twist was seemingly too complex for them to handle. Abominable.
But, as usual with a fan base that is obsessed with all things bright and shiny, they'd rather blame everything on Brantley than where the fault really lay - in the trenches.
UF did not have much offensive talent. When a converted TE like Jordan Reed is one of your top playmakers, you have serious limitations. Urbs had recruited the worst collection of OL 'talent' I have ever seen in Gainesville. The Gators had the worst OL in the SEC for 2-3 years running. As bad as they were at the point of attack on run plays, they were far worse on pass pro. A simple end/tackle twist was seemingly too complex for them to handle. Abominable.
But, as usual with a fan base that is obsessed with all things bright and shiny, they'd rather blame everything on Brantley than where the fault really lay - in the trenches.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 2:03 pm to bfniii
That link has pictures of inside as well as the out. The facilities are not lacking in the least. If you want to see poor facilities see da U.
This post was edited on 8/4/14 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 8/4/14 at 2:34 pm to Edearl Watson
What I'm telling you is that there are areas and equipment that are not shown in the pictures very important to the success of an elite program that are falling behind the competition. Moreover, those particular areas are a problem at fla on gameday. And don't say that Florida isn't lacking when there are huge, obvious examples like mckeithan and o'connell. Heck some people would throw bhg in there as underwhelming compared to the best in the sec. It's trickling down to the smallest areas and details that bama/lsu don't overlook.
My point in posting what I said is that it would not surprise me if fla regressed some because of the attitude - the pursuit of excellence does not pervade every area of the program.
My point in posting what I said is that it would not surprise me if fla regressed some because of the attitude - the pursuit of excellence does not pervade every area of the program.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 2:46 pm to bfniii
This topic is usually about no xray machine at Bhg. Shands in around the corner.
BHG is going through renovations that folks that don't attend games wouldn't see. I only hear others fans complain that bhg isn't nice. It's slowly being improved but there are no cranes so folks don't realize it.
BHG is going through renovations that folks that don't attend games wouldn't see. I only hear others fans complain that bhg isn't nice. It's slowly being improved but there are no cranes so folks don't realize it.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 2:59 pm to roadGator
It would already been fixed if Clemson had not held Chad Morris to his contract. Florida wanted him bad.
The Bull Gators have the money, make no mistake. And Will Muschamp is a good defensive coach.
But Florida needs a SEC quality offensive coordinator, bad!
Morris at UF would make SOS, Richt and Saban, and others, shake in their XXXX.
The Bull Gators have the money, make no mistake. And Will Muschamp is a good defensive coach.
But Florida needs a SEC quality offensive coordinator, bad!
Morris at UF would make SOS, Richt and Saban, and others, shake in their XXXX.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 3:04 pm to CocknDawg
Hopefully Roper is that sec caliber OC.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 3:53 pm to bfniii
The facilities bit is true to an extent because Florida is dumping money into Basketball right now, this is the burden of being the only SEC program that even tries to be national title level in both of the two major men's sports (in addition to all of the others) .
Posted on 8/4/14 at 3:57 pm to socraticsilence
Our facilities aren't bad by any means, but compared to Bamas, UT, TAMU, and what Oregon did. They are way behind.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 3:57 pm to socraticsilence
Honestly Florida's real problem is that if Roper looks good and we turn it around this year he'll get poached for a HC offer and Boom will have to find another OC, its the downside of having a guy who is so limited offensively and has no real philosophy (he did when he came here but it died last season), and it's why I and a lot of other UF fans preferred finding an offensively minded HC, good DCs are easier to find and less likely to be poached for HC openings.
Posted on 8/4/14 at 4:37 pm to SwampRaised
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Posted on 8/4/14 at 8:23 pm to olemc999
i didn't mean to imply that facilities are the problem. they are a symptom. the root cause is the attitude that let them get that way. that's why I wouldn't be surprised if fla slips from the elite for a while. lsu/bama/auburn/a&m are finding new ways to lie, cheat and steal like crazy to stay in the mix at the top. as i said, it doesn't appear that fla is reciprocating.
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