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re: The problem with 16 teams

Posted on 10/30/24 at 10:40 am to
Posted by RollingwiththeTide62
Member since Aug 2024
3051 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 10:40 am to
Yup that’s what I said as well 9 conference games a must
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 10:50 am to
What’s the correct format?

People complained with divisions; people are complaining about NON divisions; whatever the future holds.
Posted by GBJs
Northwest Mississippi
Member since Dec 2012
4793 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 10:51 am to
quote:

you ask my opinion the team that wins the last game of the playoffs will be the champion.


National / cfp? Sure. But the conference championship should matter.
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
13784 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 10:51 am to
ridiculously unbalanced schedules is a major problem in a 16-team league
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
35256 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 10:53 am to
The problem was letting the mid tier teams creep in to the big east years ago.

Then the big 12 allowed some and those teams will be better than WSU/OREst.

We had 65 teams for an even league. (I would have whittled out Boston college).

We have a mess and contraction needs to happen.

Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 10:57 am to
If you have less # teams than the # of schedule games, you can have a true round-robin & a CCG is NOT needed.

Why they made the B12 change, I’ll never understand.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:00 am to
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We can’t have disparity of schedules elevating some teams and pushing good teams down.


HOW are you going to change this? You could say if a team goes winless, they had the HARDEST schedule in the group.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:05 am to
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Feels inevitable that we will have a four-team conference championship


Please, let’s NOT. Non-divisions & trying to cram a full conference H/A rotation in 4 years is bad enough!
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:08 am to
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If you want the most fair conference setup, no more than 6 teams. They play each other twice, once at home, once away.


& HOW many conferences are you wanting to have? Also, will each have a p/o representative? Just WHAT would that look like?
Posted by VagueMessage
Springdale, AR
Member since Jun 2013
4145 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:09 am to
This risk has always been present. The divisions were always lopsided. In the 90s and early 00s, the East was the dominant side. From the mid 2000s on, it was usually the west.

In 2011, Georgia was the fifth best team in the SEC when they got clobbered by LSU in Atlanta.
Posted by slappy1
Member since Feb 2019
36 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:39 am to
quote:

make it 6. Give first 2 overall seeds byes like the NFL.


Posted by bamaoldtimer
Member since Dec 2009
1282 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:54 am to
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What’s the correct format?


Ok, here goes!

1.Two Divisions. East and West with 8 teams
2. Seeding in Divisions based on prior year’s final Playoff ranking.

East Division. Georgia ,Tenn , Ala, Vandy, Ole Miss, Florida, Ky, USC
West Division. Texas, A&M, Arky, Auburn, Mizzu, MS.STATE,LSU, OU

3. Go to 9 game schedule with 3 permanent opponents One from other division. Play everyone in Division.

Example: Texas
Plays 3 permanent. (A&M, OU, Arkansas), 1 cross Div ( Ole Miss) and remainder of West Division ( Missouri, Auburn, South Carolina, LSU, Ms.St.)

One out of conference P5 and 2 non P5 schools.

If seeded correctly, both Divisions should be near equal.

Winners play like always for SEC title.

Rotate game between Atlanta, Dallas, New Orleans, Houston, all domed stadiums



Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 12:02 pm to
Unless I’m misreading this:

1 - WHY “seed based on previous year’s results”? Each year everybody starts at 0-0.
2 - WHY are you splitting same-state schools? Per your example, Miss. is the new Mizz. having to play every geographically East school yearly.
It would be easier to swap Miss. & Aub. to be a true geographic split.
This post was edited on 10/30/24 at 12:05 pm
Posted by Smokin Joe Dumas
In your head
Member since Apr 2022
1058 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 12:30 pm to
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3. Go to 9 game schedule with 3 permanent opponents One from other division. Play everyone in Division.


What happens if all of your 3 permanents are in the other division and another team has all their permanent opponents in their division?

Then one team would play more conference games, drop permanents, or play less teams in their own division, thus making the whole thing FUBAR
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
2752 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 1:01 pm to
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would kill conference title games.


Should be dead.

Add 1-2 more regular season conference games and make the regular season champ the auto qualifier.
This post was edited on 10/30/24 at 11:56 pm
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

This risk has always been present. The divisions were always lopsided. In the 90s and early 00s, the East was the dominant side. From the mid 2000s on, it was usually the west.

In 2011, Georgia was the fifth best team in the SEC when they got clobbered by LSU in Atlanta.


In fairness, HOW would you have selected divisions if not geographically?
Posted by VagueMessage
Springdale, AR
Member since Jun 2013
4145 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 8:28 pm to
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In fairness, HOW would you have selected divisions if not geographically?


Geographically is fine? I'm not bitching about divisions, I'm just saying this issue in the OP isn't brought on by a lack of divisions. Lopsidedness seems to occur regardless.

But divisions do stop there from being more than two undefeated teams at the end of the year. Look at the B1G this year. Indiana's surprise emergence means that, theoretically, Oregon, Penn State, and Indiana could all get to the CG weekend undefeated - provided Penn State and Indiana both beat Ohio State. Slim chance, I know, but possible. Ohio State has to play all three of those teams, and none of them play one another.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
58071 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 8:31 pm to
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* another team that backed in through a weak schedule



So you’ve finally become self aware
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
18414 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 8:46 pm to
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You're right, the six most recent additions should do the right thing and leave
FIFY

Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
8435 posts
Posted on 10/30/24 at 9:22 pm to
So, if I read that right, you too are AGAINST non-divisions due to randomness of who does (not) play each other?
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