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re: The future of NCAA football
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:19 am to lsu777
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:19 am to lsu777
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That's another thing, no more early enrollment. It hurts high schools and gives certain schools and advantage. June 1st report date at earliest.
I think getting rid of EEs, greyshirts, blueshirts, and fixing the transfer rules would be where to start.
Get rid of the grad and other transfer loopholes. Plain and simple you have 5 years to play 4. If you transfer no matter what the reason you sit out a year. I would even go as far as if you have used 3 years of eligibility up you can no longer transfer. So for some star player who has yet to RS but his coach leaves he can not transfer and has to play out where he committed to.
The other issue that should be addressed is back counting. Really no point on having a hard number cap on the incoming class if it can be ignored. Get rid of the initial counter rule and hard cap of 25 for the incoming class. Focus on the 85 hard cap for the roster. That would deal graduates, those who use up eligibility, transfers, and underclassmen declaring for the draft.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:20 am to ColoradoAg
Parity is just never going to happen for the g-5 or even in conferences. Some schools care more and will find ways to win. I do agree it gets tiring seeing Clemson and tosu over and over but that is a function of their conferences being trash. CU is in a power conference but they will never seriously compete long term unless the admin changes.
I do agree somethings needs to be done though to help save the sport and stem the kids quitting.
I do agree somethings needs to be done though to help save the sport and stem the kids quitting.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:23 am to RollTide1987
It was even worse before the bcs title game era. You really only had a few schools as viable champions. Now the playoffs did kill the bowls which I admit I loved. Everyone moved into championship or bust mode not just teams with titles, the only ones that seem to like the bowls are new coaches on programs on the rise.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:24 am to Kk74
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So what do you think happens next?
It will only be a band aid for the many issues/problems
facing the future of NCAA football as we knew
it---but playoff expansion to
give more teams at least some optimism they have a shot
at the Big Kahuna, would help in the meantime.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:25 am to RollTide1987
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It's been like this since the beginning of the Poll Era.
Right, but the difference is that players used to not care about this. I don't know when everything changed, but players and a lot of fans only care about championships now.
There once was a time where Alabama could go 9-2 and go to the Sugar Bowl, and as long as they beat Auburn and Tennessee, it was a good season. That isn't the standard anymore.
There once was a time where winning your conference was the ultimate goal of a season and anything after that was gravy.
I blame fans and media members who stupidly only judge athletes based on number of championships their teams won.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 10:28 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:30 am to lsu777
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Worked out in a national championships last year.
Not because of recruiting because of a transfer which is another part of the broken system.
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Stop with the Saban is perfect bullshite. Best ever, sure but he isn't a God and cutting down on the scholarships and spreading talent around more make it less likely he hits every time.
As an Alabama fan I will Saban is the GOAT on the field but any fan can also say he is the GOAT off the field as well. No one has learned how to manipulate the roster and recruit better than Saban. Even the LSU board right now has multiple threads threads on it. It is a fact that he has found all the loopholes in a broken system and mastered how to take advantage of them.
There is always and have always been a handful of coaches every decade or so that are above the rest in producing top talent and being in the hunt for a NC every year. No matter how many changes you make those programs will probably still rise above the rest with those coaches at the helm. Yes you may make the top 50% better programs and have more enjoyable games but I doubt with any changes being mentioned in this thread the teams that have played in NC during the playoff or BCS era would change.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:31 am to Kk74
1) NCAA should put a limit on support staff and analysts. Right now it is the wild west with no end in sight.
2) Perhaps salary caps for coaches would help.
3) Expand playoffs. I prefer 8, I think 16 is too much.
I dunno about 5 star limits because crootin rankings are subjective to some extent. A draft would fix all issues but a draft is not going to work in amateur athletics. Unless a guy is getting paid you can't tell him where to go.
2) Perhaps salary caps for coaches would help.
3) Expand playoffs. I prefer 8, I think 16 is too much.
I dunno about 5 star limits because crootin rankings are subjective to some extent. A draft would fix all issues but a draft is not going to work in amateur athletics. Unless a guy is getting paid you can't tell him where to go.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:34 am to VADawg
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I don't know when everything changed, but players and a lot of fans only care about championships now.
It changed in the mid-2010s with the College Football Playoff. While the BCS had been a thing for over a decade, the media powers that be still gave plenty of attention to the other major bowl games. With the advent of the playoffs, the "Who's In?" tag line took over the sport and made the other bowls irrelevant seemingly over night.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:36 am to VADawg
That change was likely a function of a few things: the growth of national tv and sports coverage. The more access to the games and information changed who was interested. Then it became a drive for a better championship system than we had which was just split titles or polls picking. Once it consolidated to a bcs title game it narrowed it down to a championship that was true, we still had good bowls though and winning your conference meant something.
Also at the same time as tech advanced and we became a more on demand society you want instant gratification in every aspect. So before where you would see teams build up year by year and put it all together for a title run you start having this it’s a champion or bust mentality due in part to the need for instant gratification. This probably got even worse in the new free agency transfer portal play for any reason time we are in.
Lastly money ultimately killed the purity of the sport,
The true championship was made and it drew money, you expand it and more money comes but product is diluted.
Also at the same time as tech advanced and we became a more on demand society you want instant gratification in every aspect. So before where you would see teams build up year by year and put it all together for a title run you start having this it’s a champion or bust mentality due in part to the need for instant gratification. This probably got even worse in the new free agency transfer portal play for any reason time we are in.
Lastly money ultimately killed the purity of the sport,
The true championship was made and it drew money, you expand it and more money comes but product is diluted.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:37 am to AUstar
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A draft would fix all issues but a draft is not going to work in amateur athletics. Unless a guy is getting paid you can't tell him where to go.
Even if you pay him you can't tell him where to go to college. Contrary to popular belief, education still matters to a lot of these athletes. Andrew Luck chose Stanford over Alabama and a number of other schools because of Stanford's engineering program. He wanted to get a quality education on top of his professional football prospects.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:38 am to RollTide1987
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It changed in the mid-2010s with the College Football Playoff
I think it started before this. When I was a kid, going to Orlando was a good ending to a solid season. By the time I was in my early 20s, every Florida bowl game besides the Orange Bowl was a disappointment.
Weirdly, I think social media has a lot to do with this as well. Before social media, fans really only interacted with fans of their school and rival schools, and winning the conference was a big bragging point. After social media, fans could interact with fans from all over the country. Ohio State and Clemson fans don't care if you win the SEC. The only comparable talking point is national championships.
Social media is a cancer and a net negative on all aspects of society.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 10:40 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:42 am to Kk74
Have the CFP AFTER the bowl games. All bowls be completed on JAN 1. Pick top 2 or 4 after.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:43 am to VADawg
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There once was a time where winning your conference was the ultimate goal of a season and anything after that was gravy.
Because then it was the only thing really in your control. Only 2 teams had a chance and then the majority of fans and those who followed the sport questioned how NC were crowned. Even in the 90s there were multiple NCs. Hell in 2003 with the BCS who claimed LSU NC the AP declared USC.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:44 am to VADawg
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By the time I was in my early 20s, every Florida bowl game besides the Orange Bowl was a disappointment.
I was 23 years old when Alabama played Michigan State in the Capital One Bowl. While the regular season ended with a disappointing loss to Auburn and Cam Newton, I was still excited to watch Alabama play in that game. I was 32 years old when I saw Alabama play in the same game against Michigan on January 1 of this year and was no where near as excited to watch the game.
Something happened between January 1, 2011 and January 1, 2020.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 10:45 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:47 am to RollTide1987
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It changed in the mid-2010s with the College Football Playoff. While the BCS had been a thing for over a decade, the media powers that be still gave plenty of attention to the other major bowl games. With the advent of the playoffs, the "Who's In?" tag line took over the sport and made the other bowls irrelevant seemingly over night.
Playoff killed the sport. More than a third of the 5* players go to the same schools - those schools are the ones always in the playoff
Expand the playoff, and suddenly the talent isn't ALL going to those schools. Especially if you drastically reduce the scholarship numbers that each team has. Why is it that CFB has 80+ scholarships, when the NFL has an active roster of 53? For those who say scholarship reductions won't do anything I can provide a counter-argument
Yes it will be about A&M/Texas - what I grew up on. If you look at the timeframe before the current scholarship limits the series between the schools is incredibly lopsided. But since they were implemented, things are a lot more even. Schools (popular ones) cannot simply stack talent and keep it away from the competition.
If you expand the playoffs, it is probable that 35% of the best players won't go to three schools. If you implement further scholarship reductions there will be less stacking of talent on the bench at the name schools. Bowl games actually matter, and players don't opt out as much. If sixteen playoff teams in the field suddenly USC/Oregon allows interest from the West, Texas/Oklahoma from the BDF, tOSU/Michigan from the North, etc, etc ... And these teams will rotate with time
And I'd like to see the horns stew in mediocrity for all eternity as an A&M fan, but it isn't good for the sport for so few to be the "chosen" ones. The playoffs have to expand, or done away with all together
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 10:50 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:55 am to RollTide1987
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I was 23 years old when Alabama played Michigan State in the Capital One Bowl. While the regular season ended with a disappointing loss to Auburn and Cam Newton, I was still excited to watch Alabama play in that game. I was 32 years old when I saw Alabama play in the same game against Michigan on January 1 of this year and was no where near as excited to watch the game.
Something happened between January 1, 2011 and January 1, 2020.
I was 23 when Georgia played Nebraska in the Capital One Bowl (1/1/2013) and it was incredibly disappointing to be in that game.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:58 am to Kk74
First, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
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Very interesting and poignant question. .
Here is my plan to save college football.
1. 32 teams split and form new conference
2. New conference structures itself after 32:team NFL. Two conferences and 4 - 4 team divisions. Copy NFL SCHEDULING AND PLAYOFF.
3. Kill current Cfp structure.
4. Create new bowl alliances , tv alliances, Get multiple tv partners so no one entity(ESPN) can control and dictate everything
5. 30% of profits are evenly splint between all players on a team. Held in trust until graduation. If no graduation, no MONEY. PLAYERS MUST PLAY MINIMUM 4 years before going Pro. Day of graduation or after 4 years, money wired into player account etc.
6. Monthly stipend, different by school. Money will be deducted from payout upon completion.
7. Cost of education will be deducted from disbursement. Tuition, books, housing, food, stipend.
8. Injury insurance paid on every player on a graduated scale by each school.
Example:
Revenue from all sources. 40,000,000. Just a guess. Not profit but revenue
30%. =12mil
85 players per team. 12,000,000/85= $141,176 x 4 years= $564,705
Say tuition, books, housing , stipend etc is $75000/year.
75000x 4 $300,000
Player upon graduation or completion of 4 years receive check for $264,705 dollars.
Everybody wins.
Plan would have best players going into league. . Tv deals negotiated like in nfl. The money would be massive.
Thoughts?
My brain is tired.
Doable or not?
L
Very interesting and poignant question. .
Here is my plan to save college football.
1. 32 teams split and form new conference
2. New conference structures itself after 32:team NFL. Two conferences and 4 - 4 team divisions. Copy NFL SCHEDULING AND PLAYOFF.
3. Kill current Cfp structure.
4. Create new bowl alliances , tv alliances, Get multiple tv partners so no one entity(ESPN) can control and dictate everything
5. 30% of profits are evenly splint between all players on a team. Held in trust until graduation. If no graduation, no MONEY. PLAYERS MUST PLAY MINIMUM 4 years before going Pro. Day of graduation or after 4 years, money wired into player account etc.
6. Monthly stipend, different by school. Money will be deducted from payout upon completion.
7. Cost of education will be deducted from disbursement. Tuition, books, housing, food, stipend.
8. Injury insurance paid on every player on a graduated scale by each school.
Example:
Revenue from all sources. 40,000,000. Just a guess. Not profit but revenue
30%. =12mil
85 players per team. 12,000,000/85= $141,176 x 4 years= $564,705
Say tuition, books, housing , stipend etc is $75000/year.
75000x 4 $300,000
Player upon graduation or completion of 4 years receive check for $264,705 dollars.
Everybody wins.
Plan would have best players going into league. . Tv deals negotiated like in nfl. The money would be massive.
Thoughts?
My brain is tired.
Doable or not?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:01 am to bamaoldtimer
Becoming a mini NFL is a bad idea. It would likely make money at first but it’s never going to beat the NFL and it takes away the uniqueness of college football.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:16 am to VADawg
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I was 23 when Georgia played Nebraska in the Capital One Bowl (1/1/2013) and it was incredibly disappointing to be in that game.
Possibly because you were less than five yards away from a national championship game appearance in the game prior to Nebraska. An appearance in the Rose Bowl wouldn't be enough consolation to me after a loss like that.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:22 am to Big4SALTbro
No one is addressing the root issue with parity... and the obvious imbalance is what’s killing interest as much as any variation of bowls, playoffs, scholarships, etc.
When player’s families are receiving the equivalent of six-figure payments at some schools with absolutely no threat of repercussions by the governing body, limiting scholarships or expanding playoffs won’t mean shite.
It will still be the same teams, who everyone else has come to despise, and the cycle will continue on the downward spiral.
The issue for the system and these teams is transparency.
Everyone can see the cars.
Everyone can see the families receiving benefits (moving a family from HI to AL are you fricking kidding?)
The visibility in today’s digital world lets everyone see the corrupt system for what it is. So when a fan of whatever program wonders why they’ll never have a shot at even winning their conference, the answer isn’t the coach, the geography, the facilities... it’s the system that’s there for all to see if they bother to look.
Once upon a time it was much harder to see, and easier to rationalize away.
Btw - highly entertaining to watch all of these Bama fans try to create convoluted revisions to the official structure of the game today.
Do any of these revisions address car dealerships or boosters? Corrupt officials?
LOL no they don’t.
Whatever you do, don’t look in the mirror trying to find the problem.
When player’s families are receiving the equivalent of six-figure payments at some schools with absolutely no threat of repercussions by the governing body, limiting scholarships or expanding playoffs won’t mean shite.
It will still be the same teams, who everyone else has come to despise, and the cycle will continue on the downward spiral.
The issue for the system and these teams is transparency.
Everyone can see the cars.
Everyone can see the families receiving benefits (moving a family from HI to AL are you fricking kidding?)
The visibility in today’s digital world lets everyone see the corrupt system for what it is. So when a fan of whatever program wonders why they’ll never have a shot at even winning their conference, the answer isn’t the coach, the geography, the facilities... it’s the system that’s there for all to see if they bother to look.
Once upon a time it was much harder to see, and easier to rationalize away.
Btw - highly entertaining to watch all of these Bama fans try to create convoluted revisions to the official structure of the game today.
Do any of these revisions address car dealerships or boosters? Corrupt officials?
LOL no they don’t.
Whatever you do, don’t look in the mirror trying to find the problem.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 11:36 am
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