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Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:12 am to Lonnie Utah
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:12 am to Lonnie Utah
All of this changes if we just say screw it and pay players.
The we COULD put on a salary cap and things would work themselves out.
The we COULD put on a salary cap and things would work themselves out.
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Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:16 am to Grievous Angel
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So. Get. Good.
Where's LSU? Tennessee? Auburn? Michigan, USC, Texas, Oregon, Miami, FSU?
As a fan of a team that went undefeated last year and won the playoff and has the number 3/4 recruiting class in the country this is easy to say but very difficult to do.
Take TAMU. They have a fairly well known and respected coach. He has won a NC. They have fielded their best team in a while this year. They are celebrating their recruiting class at number 7. I agree that SHOULD be an accomplishment but when you take a second to realize that that ranking makes them 4th in the SEC and 3rd in the SEC west you realize....wtf how can this ever change? With the benefit of the doubt that bama and clemson get in the rankings based on past performance and recruiting/eye test even when you beat them they are primed to still make the playoffs because instead of falling to number 9/10 like the rest they get put at 5.
When that is a reality it would take Saban absolutely screwing up talent evaluation to ever have a flop of a class.
It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if bama had beaten auburn last year. I think the committee would have put them in.
Usc dropped off because of two things. Sanctions (reduced scholarships) and when they lost they didn’t make the bcs cg
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 9:18 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:16 am to Pastor Mike
First you have to make these quitters play until their three years are up. If they don’t get a top 3 round draft grade they have to play 4. Transfer portal needs to be cut way back.
Expanding the playoffs will only hurt other teams more IMO. Watch what happens to ND tomorrow. Look what happened to OU last year. There is a big step from 1-4.
Take the committee the frick out of it. Stay playoffs. Go back to Computers picking the four.
Really crack down on pay for play. Like really truly. No more chargers, no more hospital fund raisers paying dads.
That’s how you fix and SAVE college football. Will any of this happen??? Absolutely not.
Expanding the playoffs will only hurt other teams more IMO. Watch what happens to ND tomorrow. Look what happened to OU last year. There is a big step from 1-4.
Take the committee the frick out of it. Stay playoffs. Go back to Computers picking the four.
Really crack down on pay for play. Like really truly. No more chargers, no more hospital fund raisers paying dads.
That’s how you fix and SAVE college football. Will any of this happen??? Absolutely not.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:17 am to lsu777
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So expand to 16, keeps more teams involved.
Just waters it down more and does not do anything for the game. Not sure how much better the product would be if the playoffs included 3 or 4 loss teams.
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Cut scholarships to 70 total, 20 per class. Hell could even do 65 with 17.5 per class sor 70 with 18 per class since under my proposal grad transfer only counts against total number not per class number.
UA class would still be at the top. It will not matter the number allowed in each class with Saban as the HC. His class will be stellar either way. Reducing the numbers will hurt more programs than help them. How many bust are in each class. Lets say 5 is average that never really pans out, transfers, or whatever. So 20% of each incoming class. So now you cut it down to 18 for the incoming class. Now only 14 pan out in each class so you end each year with 56 players that can contribute. At that number you will see more injuries as more players will need to play more snaps due to maybe only be 2 deep.
I mean what 28 on offense and 28 on defense with most of your starters now on ST. Doubt we will see that.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:20 am to Tigersonfire
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Take the committee the frick out of it. Stay playoffs. Go back to Computers picking the four.
I am all for getting rid of the committee. I still think we need 8
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:22 am to TideWarrior
I think it's time to address the elephant in the room. The only way we "fix" college football is if the P5 conferences break away from the NCAA, form their own league, and do away with the bowls. If the fans want a 12 or 16 team playoff system put in place, the P5 would have to reduce the number of games in the regular season from 12 to 11 (or 10 if you want to keep the conference championship games). That way, if a team doesn't make the playoff, you don't have to worry about post-season bowl opt outs because there will no longer be bowl games to play in.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 9:23 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:26 am to RollTide1987
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I think it's time to address the elephant in the room. The only way we "fix" college football is if the P5 conferences break away from the NCAA, form their own league, and do away with the bowls. If the fans want a 12 or 16 team playoff system put in place, the P5 would have to reduce the number of games in the regular season from 12 to 11 (or 10 if you want to keep the conference championship games). That way, if a team doesn't make the playoff, you don't have to worry about post-season bowl opt outs because there will no longer be bowl games to play in.
Agreed. Institute a pay-scale for the players and make it a true mini NFL with expanded playoffs. Four conferences of 16 teams each. Everyone else is DII and has their own championship.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:32 am to TideWarrior
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UA class would still be at the top. It will not matter the number allowed in each class with Saban as the HC. His class will be stellar either way. Reducing the numbers will hurt more programs than help them. How many bust are in each class. Lets say 5 is average that never really pans out, transfers, or whatever. So 20% of each incoming class. So now you cut it down to 18 for the incoming class. Now only 14 pan out in each class so you end each year with 56 players that can contribute. At that number you will see more injuries as more players will need to play more snaps due to maybe only be 2 deep.
Sure, but the less players the top are able to sign the more they trickle down to the next tier. It won’t level the playing field but it will absolutely create more parity in the league. It’s literally the only way to do it outside of a draft which won’t/can’t happen if we are still operating under the guise of “student athlete”
70 players plus walk ons is plenty. The NFL can get through a season with 53 and the practice squad then CFB can make it with 70 and walk ons. It’s the only way, though I can understand why an Alabama fan wouldn’t want this
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:35 am to TideWarrior
Again as long as you have a coach like Saban and maybe a few others in the league you will not have parity. They have proven they can develop talent better then anyone but in the last decade they have also been given a mulligan basically when they recruit a player that becomes a bust. They have taken advantage of the extra time to determine if a player will be a bust or become a star.
With EEs becoming the norm programs like UA get an advantage over many others. By all purposes a player has 5 years to play when they arrive on campus, but technically they really only get 4.5 at most because the spring of their last year they no longer train. But having them become an EE the coaches get that extra season of training. And for Saban along with a few others it may be enough to take a kid fresh out of HS and have him ready to play somewhere in the rotation in the fall. Unlike other players that do not show up until summer.
Saban has learned to master roster management just like other great coaches in other sports pro and college. That is why he is successful. Now with so many declaring for the draft each year, especially Jrs leaving it allows him more spots to bring in more EEs for the spring and get a quick jump on replacing them as well as any other EEs that have used up their eligibility, graduated, and not returning for the spring. EEs have redefined the game and how to recruit.
With EEs becoming the norm programs like UA get an advantage over many others. By all purposes a player has 5 years to play when they arrive on campus, but technically they really only get 4.5 at most because the spring of their last year they no longer train. But having them become an EE the coaches get that extra season of training. And for Saban along with a few others it may be enough to take a kid fresh out of HS and have him ready to play somewhere in the rotation in the fall. Unlike other players that do not show up until summer.
Saban has learned to master roster management just like other great coaches in other sports pro and college. That is why he is successful. Now with so many declaring for the draft each year, especially Jrs leaving it allows him more spots to bring in more EEs for the spring and get a quick jump on replacing them as well as any other EEs that have used up their eligibility, graduated, and not returning for the spring. EEs have redefined the game and how to recruit.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:36 am to TideWarrior
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Just waters it down more and does not do anything for the game. Not sure how much better the product would be if the playoffs included 3 or 4 loss teams.
Because it keeps parts of the country involved.
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UA class would still be at the top. It will not matter the number allowed in each class with Saban as the HC. His class will be stellar either way. Reducing the numbers will hurt more programs than help them. How many bust are in each class. Lets say 5 is average that never really pans out, transfers, or whatever. So 20% of each incoming class. So now you cut it down to 18 for the incoming class. Now only 14 pan out in each class so you end each year with 56 players that can contribute. At that number you will see more injuries as more players will need to play more snaps due to maybe only be 2 deep.
I mean what 28 on offense and 28 on defense with most of your starters now on ST. Doubt we will see that.
You just made the damn case why you should go to 70. It makes parity happen because you will have bust. And you are spreading talent out across more teams.
How does giving a team like ole miss more 4 stars cause bama and lsu were full hurt them? Your argument is ignorant as frick.
Sure let's not give teams more 4 and 5 stars cause there are bust too? That's your argument? Wtf?
Sure their are bust. But less 5 Stas are bust than 4 stars, less 4 stars than 3 stars. Etc tec so if I have more 4 stars I now have a better chance at less bust and a better team.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:40 am to Kk74
Playoff expansion - 8 teams, with AQ for P5 champs.. I would put a TOP 10 ranking restriction to that, but they probably won’t
Standard conf format- 9 games
I’d do away with divisions, but not all will
Name Image and Likeness and 1 time transfer rule will be approved
Standard conf format- 9 games
I’d do away with divisions, but not all will
Name Image and Likeness and 1 time transfer rule will be approved
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:41 am to JesusQuintana
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Sure, but the less players the top are able to sign the more they trickle down to the next tier. It won’t level the playing field but it will absolutely create more parity in the league. It’s literally the only way to do it outside of a draft which won’t/can’t happen if we are still operating under the guise of “student athlete”
70 players plus walk ons is plenty. The NFL can get through a season with 53 and the practice squad then CFB can make it with 70 and walk ons. It’s the only way, though I can understand why an Alabama fan wouldn’t want this
All it would do is force Saban not to offer as many 3 stars or take chances on some players that may or may not become an impact player.
The talent would trickle down at all. Saban with the 2021 class would still finish with 7 stars and 10 4 stars. At most he would miss out on 3 or 4 4 stars that with his ability to manage the roster would still take 20. Our class ranking would go up in all actuality. The last 5 spots are always gambles.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:42 am to TideWarrior
That's another thing, no more early enrollment. It hurts high schools and gives certain schools and advantage. June 1st report date at earliest.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:44 am to ColoradoAg
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Institute a pay-scale for the players and make it a true mini NFL with expanded playoffs.
Which would just about kill all of the reasons I love the sport of college football. I'm certain I am not alone in that sentiment.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:44 am to TideWarrior
You don't even need 70 players. NFL has an active roster of 53. I think 60 our less helps as well
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:47 am to TideWarrior
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miss out on 3 or 4 4 stars that with his ability to manage the roster would still take 20.
And they end up at a school like lsu, uf, ole miss etc. Then the recruits they would lose would trickle down.
No more 2 stars playing 5 stars, more high 3 and 4 stars playing high 4 and 5. Big difference.
Makes injuries and bust bigger deals etc.
You are wrong on this. Sure Saban prolly still be the best, in fact I would almost guarantee it. But it would spread the talent out more and with expanded playoffs it would keep more teams and parts of the country involved.
Combine with rule changes on the field, number of analysts and even some recruiting rules and it would make a big difference.
But since you are so smart, what's your big idea cause right now, it's killing the sport.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:48 am to Kk74
Make it #1 vs #2 - Bama gets in about every 5 years or so.
Make it 4 team playoff - Bama gets in damn near every year.
Make it 8 team playoff - Bama gets in every single year and maybe with 2 losses.
Make it 16 team playoff - Bama gets in every single year with 2 losses or less. Conference championships and about 2 in-season games mean nothing.
Seems like more parity was achieved with just bowl games where no one opted out and whoever passed the eye test won the NC.
We humans like to fix things that are not broken and we end up breaking them.
Make it 4 team playoff - Bama gets in damn near every year.
Make it 8 team playoff - Bama gets in every single year and maybe with 2 losses.
Make it 16 team playoff - Bama gets in every single year with 2 losses or less. Conference championships and about 2 in-season games mean nothing.
Seems like more parity was achieved with just bowl games where no one opted out and whoever passed the eye test won the NC.
We humans like to fix things that are not broken and we end up breaking them.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:51 am to MarcusATLSU
The playoffs killed CFB. Now, how do you fix it?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:51 am to lsu777
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You just made the damn case why you should go to 70. It makes parity happen because you will have bust. And you are spreading talent out across more teams.
It would not matter with Saban and many other coaches. Because the way the NCAA allows coaches to manage their rosters with transfer rules, greyshirt, blueshirt, medical scholarships, or whatever it will never matter the max number allowed. Allowing 25 to be incoming just allows Saban the extra margin of error to gamble. He does not need it like many others programs because for the most part throughout his career he very seldom misses. So taking away a few scholarships would just require Saban not to offer a few kids each year who are 50/50 on whether they will pan out or not.
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How does giving a team like ole miss more 4 stars cause bama and lsu were full hurt them? Your argument is ignorant as frick.
What is ignorant to is assume that if every team was giving the same ability to recruit like Saban they would be successful. But that is not the case because in the end it comes down to the coach.
Hasn't LSU had the last few recruiting classes finish the top 5? How did that workout for you this year. How many NCs has UGA won with all the top recruiting classes they have had.
Again in the end the only thing that matters is not the ranking of the recruiting class it is the staff and their ability to develop those players.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:52 am to lsu777
If you lower the scholarship numbers you have to remove targeting.
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